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I think that's pretty serious. When hundreds of millions blindly believe in a devine rulebook - be it the tora, the koran or the bible. I think you should always question your believe. And I know you did. Yet I can't imagine how anyone could continue to believe in any specific deity if they did. When you think that the Jews are wrong, and the Mormons are wrong, and the Muslims are wrong. What reason could you have to continue to think that the Christians are right? Quote:
--The first thing you said was "that's out of context" But I didn't even quote anything!! I just pointed to the verse. And the second thing: "You don't get it." - period. And that's basically what you repeated over and over again. Going over that again, I don't know why I even responded. |
Okely-Dokely!
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How about D'oh?
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Link to 'teddy bear' case: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7112929.stm P.S I am also waiting for any muslims on this board to codemn the latest acts in Saudi Arabia, and now in Sudan as BrianL mentioned. Latest happenings in the case of the woman raped, it seems she has now 'confessed' into having an affair. Hrmm, confessed, as in possibly being tortured/coerced into changing her story to benefit her prosecutors? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7112999.stm |
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Anyway, I'm muslim by birth but an atheist (if that's the right word) by temperament. tbutttbutt |
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I guess when there is nothing to celebrate in life only death can be 'celebrated'. Don't get me wrong - I don't want to start any religious wars - here or elsewhere! tbutttbutt |
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No, their excuse is that they know with all their heart that they are doing the right thing, because the interpretation of the Qur'an by their sect leader sais so. They only do what they are commanded. - The famous Nürnberg defense.
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Yet another "Yes, but..." muslim. You've just put forward the worst, stupidest, and most reprehensible argument you could possibly advance. |
Why is it that so many lose their sense of realism as soon as the subject of islamic fundamentalism comes up? I don't have much sympathy for them, in fact, their acts can't be condemned enough - but it's ludicrous to pretend that there is so much more wisdom in us Western folks.
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nazism had little if anything to do with religion Religion came a long way, and I don't see Christians killing non-Christians in the name of god at will, as they did, let say, in America 500 years ago. And we have to thank Russians for not letting the world to see how would Nazism would have evolved if they won. Code:
ethnic cleansing in Bosnia, Palestine, Iraq, The rest of your post sounds just like the left-wing propaganda. Putting all world ills into one big pile, and blaming it on the first world. I don't deny that developed world bear part responsibility for what happening around, but I don't think it is our responsibility to get involved everywhere either. And as a matter of fact, if our immigration laws were less liberal, then Paris suburbs would not be on fire, Twin towers would have stood, and London would had two more buses. |
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I don't recall anyone in this thread equating national socialism and religion except you. So for all these "sins" put forward in your rant, islamofascism is somehow permissible? I'm having difficulty making the connection. I may have missed the post where anyone attempted to "reason" with jihadists. Anyone with a frontal lobe would know that it would be a complete waste of time to argue with any religious fanatic. |
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tendency (and that's a term from human ethology) to be very prone to pseudo specification. Humans have that problem that they can only form an individual bond with a very limited number of people - back in the olden days it was the clan, the tribe, the extended family. Everyone else was suspicious, and in many tribal languages you'll find that the word for the own tribe was a synonym for human (or man), and all other tribes were considered non-human, and killing those for resources or territory was perfectly acceptable. In our more "enlightened time and age" it's slightly different. Family bonds in the wider sense are falling apart. New means to maintain a sustainable level of identification need to be found. There's football fans, there's Goths, there's Muslim, there's Americans (of course, split into "Yanks" and "RedNecks", black, white, hispanic ... still too big, let's throw in Religion, so we have Catholic, Baptist, Reformed Baptists, Southern Baptists ... ). In terms of conflict those distinctions are commonly not the driver, but the means to organise. The drivers are commercial interests, or plain good old power. The "uniting factors" then get emphasised by the leading crew (plutocracy, oligarchy, dictator - take your pick) to get the crowd to support their cause. If you firmly believe that religion is the cause of all evil you're just prone to the pseudo-specification between the "intelligent atheists" and the "stupid believers". Cheers, Tink |
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