The Faith & Religion mega Thread

and also ... i would want to see "firm believer" at the number one place with the rest close up by almost the same (or best if its the same) ... except for atheists ...

and i'm not just being "polite" , "good" , "nuetral" and "kind-hearted" ...

as for "the time when we are dead" issue ... i think most probably i will start "reading" quran seriously and pray seriously(hope that i will be more patient with the "counting" as i still cant believe what i saw) by that time ...



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i would want to see "firm believer" at the number one place with the rest close up by almost the same (or best if its the same) ... except for atheists ...

Who are, of course, at position zero because they know about fence-post errors

Notice that the poll actually does not specify what the "firm believer" actually believes. OP has not clarified this point - so it could be anything, provided it is firm. (Certain people can stop sniggering... thank you.)

However - Athiests beware: the Goddess Eris is the One True Goddess. That's right - Confusion and Discord are the Supreme Being.

There's scientific justification: 2nd law of thermodynamics and the entire field of quantum mechanics.

Direct observation: the dominance of disorder.

There's no conflict with other religions - all Gods and Goddesses, and so on are just Eris in disguise... proof: look at the discord this generates!

Satisfies Pascal's bet: if you don't believe, you will be reincarnated as a sacred Mao button. So you better believe!

Yae - Eris evades atheist skepticism and satisfies all conventional (and most unconventional) "proofs" for existence better that any others (which are all Her anyway)!

Hail Eris... All Hail Discordia (Fnord)

All religions do not claim that they are the one and only way to salvation. Most religions do not tell it's members to kill those who do not believe. I've been through many years of Catholic religious education and never was it said that someone of other belief is doomed to hell fire. Never ever, in any way shape or form.

how can people be that sure and that firm about all these ...

as far as i'm concerned ... atheists can do better but the rest seem wiser to me ...

and i also dont think is good to be someone who cant stand anything that is void of conflicts ...



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Originally Posted by DotHQ All religions do not claim that they are the one and only way to salvation. Most religions do not tell it's members to kill those who do not believe. I've been through many years of Catholic religious education and never was it said that someone of other belief is doomed to hell fire. Never ever, in any way shape or form.

You must have had a different catholic education to what I had

There is a bit more tolerance between the mainstream Xian religions these days. It's another matter if it's non-xian of course...

But still, you ain't getting to heaven if your not catholic

Huh... I discovered that Catholics found a pagan easier to accept than an Anglican. A lapsed Anglican though, that was fine.

Looks like a certain catholic needs to read his Bible more. Check out some canon law. The educators were probably shielding the innocent children from the sad truth, after all, many of their friends were non-Catholic pagans, heathens, or heretics. It would only distress the students to know their friends were going to hell.

But still, you ain't getting to heaven if your not catholic

And, you've got to be baptised Catholic. Preferably you should get the last rites and be buried in holy ground too.

I've spent many years delivering a Catholic education - it was real fun delivering the state curriculum in biology right after the Bull declaring evolution false. Hell would probably be mentioned once or twice, but the whole thing seemed to get played down. But it hasn't actually been removed from the religion. Neither has the bit about who you can kill without transgressing that commandment...

I just can't resist the poke...

Satanism is a sect of the monotheistic religions, since Satan is only in judaism, Islam and christianity.

so for someone to worship satan that have to literally be one of Jewish, Muslim or Christian, he doesn't exist in any other religion

Preacherman, dont tell me,
Heaven is under the earth.
I know you dont know
What life is really worth.
Its not all that glitters is gold;
alf the story has never been told:

Most people think,
Great God will come from the skies,
Take away everything
And make everybody feel high.
But if you know what life is worth,
You will look for yours on earth:

We sick an tired of-a your ism-skism game -
Dyin n goin to heaven in-a jesus name, lord.
We know when we understand:
Almighty God is a living man.
You can fool some people sometimes,
But you cant fool all the people all the time.
So now we see the light (what you gonna do? ),
We gonna stand up for our rights!

Bob Marley & The Wailers - Stand up for your rights

Every one to his own religion.
Someone tries to shove his/her beliefs down my throat, he/she gets the worst fate possible, determined of course by his/her religion.
Someone tries to talk me GOD stuff, I ask whether its God who told them the rules or some human claiming to be a 'messenger' or 'relative' of God. They immediately get defensive,meaning that my point worked.

Btw, i dont understand the terms used in the poll.
Whats my category who is open to but still doesnt have a GOD concept, is a realist, and practices scientific enquiry rather than blind belief?

Looks like some of this forums religious folks make the same intentional mistake as few loose-bolt evangelists did on the other forum. Let me make this clear now:
Atheism is not comparable to religion!

Religion demands faith which atheism abhors. "But you have faith that there isn't a God!", says preacher. "No, I just haven't seen anything pointing towards existence of some god", atheist replies.

Die-hard fundamentalist christian would still believe in Jesus even if some ancient pagan god like Odin would sit on his chest while performing miracles and telling that he is the main God, not some wimpy rebel who got nailed on cross. In that situation, atheist would say "Ok, so there is a God! Amazing! Who would have thought?!"

Atheism is closer to seeking the real truth than any faith-based religion is...

I think that religious people reading the thread pray for our "lost souls", without putting their arguments forward, realizing that it is very easy to ridicule.

"God is dead" - that was declared about 300 years ago, but we still can't bury our dead. Something akin of "Psycho": keeping skeleton in the basement, while getting orders to kill by his/her name.

Just for the record: I don't know if god exist or not - I don't care, but I know that no religion has credential to represent the "client".

Originally Posted by JMJ_coder Hello Tinkster, I'd love to dialogue with you on this, but since this is not a religious forum, and merely a thread on religiousness, I'm at a loss as to how much into the dialogue to go.

This thread has been all over the place ... personally I wouldn't
worry too much about what's appropriate to post here or not. ;}



Cheers,
Tink

Originally Posted by Simon Bridge Notice that the poll actually does not specify what the "firm believer" actually believes. OP has not clarified this point - so it could be anything, provided it is firm.

I did in the original post.

Originally Posted by rsashok "God is dead" - that was declared about 300 years ago, but we still can't bury our dead. Something akin of "Psycho": keeping skeleton in the basement, while getting orders to kill by his/her name.

I don't want to nitpick, but I will
You're off by almost 200 years.

Nietzsche lived from 18-something to 1900.

OOOPS. Thanks for correction, I thought it was Voltaire, but I was wrong - it is Nietzsche indeed. So should we give them another 150 years then.

Would it'd been nice if one day Pope comes on the balcony, takes off his hat and says "Vatican is closing due to the complete lack useful purpose". And crazy Muslims would echo him, by selling their stone to the newly opened Las Vegas hotel Mecca. And Jews would recognized that if the Messiah is a real gentlemen he would not make waiting for him so long. And then the god or gods (if he/them exist) might have reveal his face.