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Old 03-11-2013, 08:49 PM   #31
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Watch the ads!


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I won't even mention all the plans for targeted ads in your car in your home using cameras and mics in you "smart" TV ... just read slashdot. The advertising companies are aggressive and malevolent and they try to make it seem like it's something necessary, a necessary method of funding, and that you should accept the ads shoved down your throat, all those flashing obnoxious pop-ups.
And what’s wrong with the ads apart of that that they’re usually obtrusive?

The ads are a form of the propaganda. The same with the most of TV programs, radio broadcasts, and press articles. The same with the politicians talk. The same with the priests talk. The same with your friends and family members talk. The same with your talk.

So I’m asking you once again but more generally: what’s wrong with the propaganda apart of that that it’s most of the time boring?

In my opinion propaganda is good. It’s everywhere so you have to learn to live with it. Use it to develop your critical thinking. Use it to build your unique mind.

Let me tell you something...

Last week a cashier in a store where I do shopping everyday said to me: “I have ask you some day which beers are the good ones because you buy always some strange beer”. I replied: “It’s simple. Buy those beers which aren’t advertised. Watch the ads!”.

Let me explain you something...

Company A advertises its beer and competes with the companies B and C which advertise their beers as well. So A, B, and C beers are cheap (because these companies compete on the market) and all these beers are advertised (because of that competition).

Here’s the price of a bottle of A, B, and C beers:

Code:
|-------------------------|-----|
  ads ads ads ads ads ads  beer
The other companies – X, Y, and Z – don’t advertise their beers. Moreover their beers are more expensive than the beers made by A, B, and C.

Here’s the price of a bottle of X, Y, and Z beers:

Code:
|--------------------------------------------------|
 beer beer beer beer beer beer beer beer beer beer
Now try to guess which “beer” has more beer inside and which “beer” is better beer?

And now decide what would you like to buy in a bottle of a beer: 80% of the ads (i.e. amusing conception, nice music, famous people, etc.) or just 100% of a beer?

My advices to you:

1. Watch the ads.

2. Think.

3. Think more.

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As for conspiracy theories and theorists, I know they are hated everywhere. They are just paranoid fools, right ? You might be right, but what do you risk if you are wrong ?
It’s very funny. Very very.

Either you parodied Pascal’s Wager knowingly or you repeated it in the other words unknowingly.

My answer to Pascal:

There’s no God and there’s no afterlife. I don’t intend to waste my life – the only life I have – on the considerations about God and afterlife (as well as about Pegasus, gnomes, Santa Claus, etc.).

My indirect answer to you:

I don’t intend to waste my life on the studies and the discussions about the conspiracy theories.

My direct answer to you:

I’m not wrong. Reading, thinking, and talking about the conspiracy theories is a huge waste of the time and the energy.

My request to you:

If you’d like to convince me a bit to the conspiracy theories select just one conspiracy theory – the one which is the best proven or at least the best justified – and show it here. (A humble link to “the best conspiracy theory website in the world” which discusses “the best proven or justified conspiracy theory” will be enough.)

***

(To read more about the beliefs and the gods see my post #46 on the fifth page of the Atheists thread in the Atheists social group.)


eyeofliberty,

Thanks.

Don’t live in a ghetto. Don’t escape from the whole world. There’s a lot of good content in Internet. Just try to find it. (Or maybe you do that instead of “hanging out in Linux forums” all the time?)


ukiuki,

Your head is full of the quotations (from Hermann Göring to Mahatma Gandhi). Try some day to think yourself. It’s a wonderful feeling.


to someone who thanked me,

Thanks for your thanks.

I can’t change the world – I can merely comment it. My goal is opposite to the Marxist-Leninist one because they had the ambition to change the world instead of merely comment it. (And they succeeded.) Their outlook was populist – my outlook is elitist. That causes all the difference.

The sad part of the above is that I can’t change the attitude of even a single person discussing here (with the possible exception of myself).
 
Old 03-11-2013, 08:51 PM   #32
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Quote:
Free your mind."
And your ass will follow. George Clinton. Parliment/Funkedelic

Quote:
Yo, this is mood control
(Yo, ho)
Saying you might as well pay attention
(This is mood control)
We can't afford free speech
(Mood, mood, mood, someone's funkin' with the mood)

Mood control is designed to render funkable ideas
Brought to you by the makers of Mr. Prolong
Better known as Urge Overkill
The pimping of the pleasure principle

Oh, but we'll be pecking lightly
Like a woodpecker with a headache
'Cause it's cheaper to funk than it is to pay attention, you dig?
Huck-a-buck, A-Lo and behold
Someone's funking with the mood control

When you're taking every kind of pill
(Deprogram, program)
Nothing seems to ever cure your ill
(Peck me lightly, like a woodpecker with a headache)

When you're taking every kind of pill
(Funk the nonprofit organization)
Nothing seems to ever cure your ill
Where do you get your funk from?
(Where do you get that funk from?)

Hey, name that feeling
Would you trade your funk for what's behind the third door?
The big deal, heads I win, tail you lose
How do you spell relief?
Huck-a-buck, sucker

When you're taking every kind of pill
(Ho, bigger the headache the bigger the pill)
Nothing seems to ever cure your ill

When you're taking every kind of pill
(You deserve a break today)
Nothing seems to ever cure your ill
(Have it your way)

Where do you get that funk from?
(Ooh, who was that? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, oh, oh, oh)

The salvation of inspiration is the motivation
Fasten your safety belt
While I take you face-to-face with the nosiest computer I know
(Where do you get that funk from?)

When I count to ten I want you to jump up, stay there
(Yo, ho)
But don't come down till I flash the light
(You deserve a break today, have it your way)
Funk is not domestically produced, ho

There's nothing that the proper attitude won't render funkable
Where do you get your funk from? Funktism, hey

When you're taking every kind of pill
(Mood control)
Nothing seems to ever cure your ill

When you're taking every kind of pill
(Urge Overkill)
Nothing seems to ever cure your ill
(Yeah, ho)

Where did you get that funk from?
(Program)
Where did you get that funk from?
(Deprogram and reprogram)
Heads I win, tail you lose

Would you trade your funk for this?
You deserve a break today, have it your way
A funk a day keeps the nose away, ain't it true?
I ain't gonna hold the lettuce, the pickles or the mustard
(Yo)

Step up and dance until I tell you to come down
You deserve a break today, sucker
I'm gonna flash the light and flop the J, mount again, ho

This is mood de control saying pay more attention
For free speech, high finance or just possible funkability
Ho, let the funk begin
Do anybody have change for funk?

(Where do you get your funk from?)
Oh yes, this is heavyweight funk
Put up your dukes, ha, ha
You want to funk around with me? Oh

This is mood de control
(Yo, ho)
The home of the P funk, the Bomb
Mind your wants 'cause there's someone that want your mind

When you're taking every kind of pill
(Bigger the headache the bigger the pill, baby)
Nothing seems to ever cure your ill
(How do you spell relief?)

When you're taking every kind of pill
(The bigger the headache the bigger the pill)
Nothing seems to ever cure your ill
(Ho, this is the big pill)
(Yeah, ho)

Where do you get that funk from?
(They go again, they go again)
You might as well pay attention, free speech is too high

Where do you get that funk from?
(Huck-a-buck, ho, you deserve a break today)
(How do you spell relief?)
Where do you get that funk from?
(Okay, wind me)

Yeah, take it to the bridge, ha, ha, ha
Let's take it to this and stoop them
But this is mood control

Funkentelechy
(Program, reprogram, deprogram)
Funkentelechy
(How's your funkentelechy? I'll beat your back at the turnaround)

Funkentelechy
(Right now, show y'all space)
Funkentelechy
(Heavyweight funk)
Funkentelechy
(Rump to rump, we shall get down)
Funkentelechy
(Ho)

Funkentelechy, funkentelechy
(How's your funk?)
Funkentelechy
(How's your funk?)
Funkentelechy
(Ho)

How's your funkentelechy?
How's your funkentelechy?
How's your funkentelechy?
How's your funkentelechy?

(How's your funkentelechy?)
When you're taking every kind of pill
(How's your funkentelechy?)
Nothing ever cure your ill

(How's your funkentelechy?)
When you're taking every kind of pill
(How's your funkentelechy?)
Nothing ever cure your ill

(Where do you get your funk from?)
Ho, you're in the presence of your future
You deserve a break today, have it your way

I ain't gonna hold the lettuce, the pickles or the mustard
A funk a day keep the nose away
Mind your wants 'cause someone wants your mind
Funk is a nonprofit organization

Peck me lightly, like a woodpecker with a headache
'Cause funk is not domestically produced
It is responsive to your mood, you can score it any day
On W E F U N K, we funk, ho

Name that feeling, baby
This is mood de control
Program, reprogram and deprogram

Funkentelechy
(How's your funkentelechy?)
Funkentelechy
(You might as well pay for attention, free speech is too high)

Funkentelechy
(We are sexually programmed for [Incomprehensible] your P's)
Funkentelechy
(Funfunky possibilities arrive for the makers of Urge Overkill)
Funkentelechy
(And not the funky funny bone)

Funkentelechy
(You deserve a break today so name that feeling)
Funkentelechy
(Would you trade your funk for what's behind the third door?)
Funkentelechy)
(The big deal, heads I win, tails you lose, I don't know)

Funkentelechy
(For there's nothing that funk will not render funkable)
Funkentelechy
(This is mood decontrol, urgin' you to funk on, yo, ho)

Funkentelechy
(How's your funkentelechy?)
Funkentelechy
(Ideas brought to you by the makers of Urge Overkill)

Do not respond, this has been a test
And once again the pleasure principle has been rescued
With the aid of the funk
This is Mr. Prolong

(How's your funkentelechy?)
And in doing so
(How's your funkentelechy?)
Freed the possibilities of funk beyond compare
(How's your funkentelechy?)
Program, deprogram, reprogram
(How's your funkentelechy?)

When you're taking every kind of pill
(How do you spell relief?)
Nothing seems to ever cure your ill
(You deserve a break today, sucker)

When you're taking every kind of pill
(Ha, ha, ha, ha)
Nothing seems to ever cure your ill
(Have it your way, this is the, the doctor)

Nothing seems to ever cure your ill
(Saying, the bigger the headache the bigger the pill)
When you're taking every kind of pill
(What's happening? What's happening?)

Who jammin'? What's that?
How's your funk?
(How's your funk?)
You know what's that?
(How's your funk?)

Funkentelechy
(Sucker)
Funkentelechy
(I want you to jump over there
And stay there until I tell you to come down)
Funkentelechy
(Check your funk pressure)

Funkentelechy
(Fly on)
Funkentelechy
(Ain't nothing but a party, baby)
Funkentelechy
(Oh)

How's your funkentelechy?
How's your funkentelechy?
How's your funkentelechy?
Heads I win, tails you lose

You are a free person not a slave of the flow
 
Old 03-11-2013, 09:27 PM   #33
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...ukiuki,
Your head is full of the quotations (from Hermann Göring to Mahatma Gandhi). Try some day to think yourself. It’s a wonderful feeling...
I do think by myself otherwise I wouldn't be here talking about something important to people, there is absolutely nothing wrong about quotes, and we do learn a lot from those, specially when it come from wise people like Ghandi and if we don't listen or learn from who know a lot more than ourselves from who will we learn? If you don't want to listen the words of a just a guy like me because I'm just another guy, then listen to the wise ones like Ghandi(the quotes).

And by the way a lot of the adds and comercials in the media do contain subliminal messages, but it is up to you what you want to allow your mind to be fed of, and that is how the few dictate to the many, how to think, what to drink, what to eat, how to dress, etc etc.

Regards
 
Old 03-11-2013, 10:41 PM   #34
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eyeofliberty,

Thanks.

Don’t live in a ghetto. Don’t escape from the whole world. There’s a lot of good content in Internet. Just try to find it. (Or maybe you do that instead of “hanging out in Linux forums” all the time?)

Haha, no, I don't live in a ghetto, or escape from the whole world. And Linux is just one of many hobbies for me, including archery, backpacking, herbalism, primitive skills, homebrewing, alternative energy, bicycling, and kayaking. I just don't have much tolerance for what most people consider entertainment, the mainstream media, consumerism, and such.

And that was a great analogy with the beer and advertising, btw.
 
Old 03-11-2013, 10:49 PM   #35
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A subliminal message (beware – you’re warned!)

ukiuki,

When I read this forum I prefer rather to read the words written by the guy like you. When I’ll decide to read the words written or spoken by Hermann Göring or Mahatma Gandhi I’ll start to read the Göring’s or Gandhi’s works or the works about Göring or Gandhi – which didn’t happen to me so far and I doubt it’ll happen to me whenever.

***

It’s very dangerous thing those subliminal messages! A horrifying, terrifying, frightening, scaring, dreadful, terrible thing. The biggest and the wealthiest beer companies in my country using the subliminal messages managed to discourage me to drink their beers at all. The producers of the food and the drinks managed to discourage me to eat and drink their products. The producers of the clothes and the shoes managed to discourage me to wear their products. The producers of books, movies, and music managed to discourage me to read, watch, and listen their products. The same with the producers of the software and possibly some other manufacturers.

On the other hand I buy advertised laptops, cameras, hi-fi devices, mobile phones, and the other stuff. But I buy all of that not because the subliminal messages that come from their producers convinced me to buy that but because after my extensive investigations I decided that the best gears for me and now are: ThinkPad laptops, Fujifilm cameras, Marantz hi-fi devices, Nokia mobile phones, etc.

So I’m not a robot. I’m a human being. Ads don’t tell me what I have to do – they don’t tell me either what I have not to do. I’m not controlled by ads. I’m not controlled by any form of the propaganda. I’m controlled by my own mind.

***

Are you a robot, ukiuki?

(Assuming that you aren’t a robot: why you work as a robot and why you’re afraid of someone who allegedly controls you?)

((Assuming that someone actually controls you: why you allow him or her, or them to do that?))


to all the moderators and the other staff,

Why the forum engine changed the uppercase letters in the title of the present post to lowercase ones?

Do you think that the users of that forum are so dumb that they don’t know when they should use the uppercase letters?

(Well. Maybe some of them are dumb indeed.)
 
Old 03-11-2013, 11:10 PM   #36
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I just don't have much tolerance for what most people consider entertainment, the mainstream media, consumerism, and such.
Me neither.

Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeofliberty View Post
And that was a great analogy with the beer and advertising
Thanks once again.


A remark about smileys (emoticons)

A few years ago I started to exchange the e-mail correspondence with some new co-worker.

After a few e-mail messages I wrote to him:

“You use a lot of smileys.”

He replied:

“And you’re very abstemious in that.”

I concluded:

“colon dash parenthesis”

As a result he stopped to use all these fancy smileys or emoticons. (Thanks to God which doesn’t exist.)

If you can restrain yourself from using smileys in your replies to me – do that. I’m intelligent enough to understand all the evident and the hidden context of someone’s statements.
 
Old 03-11-2013, 11:16 PM   #37
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If you can restrain yourself from using smileys in your replies to me – do that. I’m intelligent enough to understand all the evident and the hidden context of someone’s statements.
Fair enough. Sounds like a good policy, really. Thanks for your honesty, I appreciate your intelligence.
 
Old 03-11-2013, 11:32 PM   #38
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Fair enough. Sounds like a good policy, really. Thanks for your honesty, I appreciate your intelligence.
Thanks for not smiling to me.

***

All those smileys (emoticons) look to me exactly the same as all those laugh tracks in the sitcoms sound to me. Piteously.

***

Are you from Cascadia, Oregon or Cascadia, Washington, or some other Cascadia?

Last edited by w1k0; 03-11-2013 at 11:49 PM.
 
Old 03-12-2013, 12:58 AM   #39
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@w1k0

Who is really afraid here? You do believe in whatever you want to believe, that is up to you.

Regards
 
Old 03-12-2013, 01:55 AM   #40
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to someone else who thanked me as well,

It isn’t a battle so I couldn’t beat you.

My main opponents in that thread are H_TeXMeX_H and ukiuki. I wonder whether H_TeXMeX_H will present here some intelligible, reasonable, and coherent “conspiracy theory”:

Quote:
If you’d like to convince me a bit to the conspiracy theories select just one conspiracy theory – the one which is the best proven or at least the best justified – and show it here. (A humble link to “the best conspiracy theory website in the world” which discusses “the best proven or justified conspiracy theory” will be enough.)
Personally I doubt that any “conspiracy theory” is intelligible, reasonable, or coherent.

I’m sad now because I like H_TeXMeX_H very much.

I asked him about some intelligible, reasonable, and coherent “conspiracy theory”. Just one. In my opinion such a theory doesn’t exist. I’m pretty sure that there’s no such a thing as a “conspiracy theory”. There are some collections of the ideas concerning conspiracy (so called “conspiracy bullshit”) but none of them is a “theory”. The theory is something more than the collection of the statements freely put together.

I think it’s impossible to find some “conspiracy theory” because all those “theories” aren’t theories at all. So I suppose that H_TeXMeX_H waits now in a hideout until we’ll forgot the “conspiracy theories” thing.

***

Dear H_TeXMeX_H,

Don’t hide yourself from the other people. Come back to us! It’s only a free flow of the ideas. It’s just some minor thread in some insignificant forum dedicated to some marginal operating system. Think about the whole Universe that exists about 13.7 billion years. What means that thread in the face of the Universe?

Some of the ideas presented here are shitty but the other ones are great.

There’s a lot of shit out there (in the world):

– religions,
– astrology,
– homeopathy,
– fortune-telling,
– superstitions.

(I forgot to mention above the conspiracy theories. My apologies.)

That’s not the end of the world when someone believes in the mentioned shitty ideas. Some of my friends believe in such a shit as astrology. I tried to convert them in the past. Some of them were offended by my arguments and they stopped to contact with me for a while. After a few months they restored the contacts again.

Time heals all wounds.

The Universe exists 13.7 billion years.

Yours faithfully,

w1k0

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Old 03-12-2013, 02:20 AM   #41
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Who is really afraid here? You do believe in whatever you want to believe, that is up to you.
You’re frightened at least by the conspiracy theories and by the subliminal messages. Just read your own posts from the present thread. I’m astonished that you have such a weak memory. How old are you? More than 100? My best wishes!

Yes. I believe whatever I want to believe. The same with you. That doesn’t change the fact that some beliefs are worthless while some other ones are valuable. Just compare two ideas: “God” and “science”. To believe in God is worthless. To believe in the science is valuable.

Are you trying to argue with me? Yes? Indeed? Best wishes once again! Thanks to your collaboration with me it can be the funniest thread in the entire LinuxQuestions.org ever.

***

It’s not enough to repeat once again the “wisdom” that you learned before in a dispute with me to win the contest. If you’d like to win it you should invent some new arguments.
 
Old 03-12-2013, 03:43 AM   #42
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Some of you linked your statements with some particular group of the people – the Jews (unSpawn noticed that pretty soon). Well, the orthodox Jews are very funny people. Some of them wear strange hats and clothes (shtreimels and caftans), have strange whiskers (payos), and read strange books (Torah).

In my opinion the two stupidest nations in the world are: Jews (mostly from Israel) and Poles (mostly from Poland). The first invented the stupid idea of the “chosen people” and the latter invented the stupid idea of Poland as a “Christ of Europe”. Both think that there’s something special in their nations. I’m sorry. It isn’t. Both Jews and Poles are roughly the same as any other nation.

I’d like to apologize you if your nation is more stupid than Jews and Poles. I simply don’t know all the nations and I rely on my limited knowledge. If your nation is stupidest even than the Jews and the Poles feel free to inform us about that here.
 
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Dear w1k0, I'm not your opponent, neither I think you are mine.
I'm not afraid of any of that you have mentioned, I'm just saying: "those things may contain bad things that do harm peoples minds, like the propaganda or comercials or adds if you like." If you want to believe that, good for you, if you don't it is totally up to you. Anyway do your own research about any of this things if you want, find out for yourself, you don't have to take anyone word as last resort.

Best wishes and kind regards
 
Old 03-12-2013, 08:01 AM   #44
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Are you from Cascadia, Oregon or Cascadia, Washington, or some other Cascadia?
I use Cascadia to refer to a bioregion or independence movement, rather than a particular town or city within that region:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascad...dence_movement)
 
Old 03-12-2013, 08:45 AM   #45
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That is what I'm talking about.
No, in fact you linked to a good old fashioned anti-semitic rant and then started quoting the matrix.

As for "conspiracy theories" and "conspiracy theorists", it's a label, I dislike labels. It's all to easy to point the finger and say "conspiracy theorist!" and just dismiss someone who may actually have something relevant to say. You however do not seem to have anything at all relevant to say.
 
  


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