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what?HELLO.i am UNIX. the best!
whooa, wait a minute. Windows is BETTER than UNIX
hoo-boy..i don't like both.
errr...i don't know, what is UNIX afterall?
windows?never heard of it...

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Old 01-11-2007, 01:33 AM   #826
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My point is, it's not MS that's keeping me from running linux. You can't blame MS for this one. I can't run most Adobe apps on linux. I can't run:

Flash IDE
Flex Builder
Photoshop (I'm sorry, but gimp isn't the same)
Illustrator
Audition

That's not MS's fault.
 
Old 01-11-2007, 01:47 AM   #827
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That's not MS's fault.
Sure it is. If they didn't exist, Adobe wouldn't be constraining themselves to one platform.
 
Old 01-11-2007, 02:03 AM   #828
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Originally Posted by Rotwang
My point is, it's not MS that's keeping me from running linux. You can't blame MS for this one. I can't run most Adobe apps on linux. I can't run:

Flash IDE
Flex Builder
Photoshop (I'm sorry, but gimp isn't the same)
Illustrator
Audition

That's not MS's fault.
Well, actually the MS monopoly does limit the opportunities a lot. You see it especially in some areas. Like how many commercial word processors are there now? There used to be a few. Same with the spreadsheet. But the only thing that has a hope in todays world of competing at all are the OSS competitors.

MS has created a monoculture, and that mentality will take some breaking.

BTW I run photoshop on linux, but prefer Gimp...
 
Old 01-11-2007, 02:10 AM   #829
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Sure it is. If they didn't exist, Adobe wouldn't be constraining themselves to one platform.
Adobe isn't constraining themselves to one platform. Heard of MacOS?
 
Old 01-11-2007, 02:31 AM   #830
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rotwang
My point is, it's not MS that's keeping me from running linux. You can't blame MS for this one. I can't run most Adobe apps on linux. I can't run:

Flash IDE
Flex Builder
Photoshop (I'm sorry, but gimp isn't the same)
Illustrator
Audition

That's not MS's fault.
That may be keeping you from running Linux, but not everyone uses those applications. In fact, I don't even know what half of those are. All the Adobe applications I use are ported to Linux--Flash (player) and Reader.
 
Old 01-11-2007, 02:39 AM   #831
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Adobe isn't constraining themselves to one platform. Heard of MacOS?
Oh that other company, Apple. Hmmm. Right. Must've forgotten about them. Funny how that could've happen.

Great. I guess we get to upgrade that platform count to 2.
 
Old 01-11-2007, 05:37 AM   #832
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Adobe is one company that probably feels a bit threatened by open source. It is encouraging to see them releasing Acrobat Reader, Flash, etc. but I think porting the whole CS to Linux might be a real strategic issue for them.

I have heard hints that CS can be made to run under WINE, but I have not had time to pursue it.
 
Old 01-11-2007, 11:40 AM   #833
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First off, I currently use both Windows and Linux. I use Windows for everyday desktop use, and my wife is more comfortable with it. Linux is in our spare room, running Apache, ssh, and is just there as a file repository and web server for now.

Linux is a pain in the bum. I have such a hard time trying to get things to work right, from Samba, to some wine apps like Warcraft 3. I gave up on Warcraft 3, and I didn't have the patience for Samba. One of these days maybe, but for now I'm just sticking with SSH.

On the other hand, I've been using my Windows machine for just about everything now. Eventually, it gets bogged down, and I have to restart because the wireless card is doing god knows what.

Almost half a year later, I've restarted my windows machine so many times, and had to "repair" the wireless connection. I completely forgot about my Linux box in the spare room, so I went over and flipped on the monitor to check and see what it was doing. Lo and behold, that cursor was still blinking, waiting for me to type something (I'm running Slackware 10 on it). I raced to my Windows machine, and tried to use SSH, and perfect. My Linux box hasn't skipped a beat, while Windows sputtered a few times.

So yea, Linux is definitely harder for me to do things, but the cool thing about it is once I figure it out and do it, I can forget about it for HALF A YEAR and rely on it still running perfectly, without a reboot, defrag, or even turning on the monitor to make sure something didn't miraculously cut off my internet connection.


I currently use both, because there's some things I can't do on Linux, but if I could do everything on it, Linux is definitely impressive to me.
 
Old 01-11-2007, 05:41 PM   #834
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i think the first thing Adobe shoudl port to linux is shockwave player!!!!
why do we get flash but no shockwave player?
its not that difficult even as they relice it for OSX (now officailly a flavor of unix)
all they have to do is tweak it for X11 and recompile... simple really!
 
Old 01-12-2007, 02:16 AM   #835
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There are plenty of free and commercial software for Linux if you just look around a bit. unfortunately a lot of Windows fanboys don't want to look around.

It's easy to wake up the sleeping. It's impossible to wake up those who pretend to be asleep... it's those pretenders who're missing out on all the goodies, while the rest of the world are catching on...

Last edited by vharishankar; 01-12-2007 at 02:18 AM.
 
Old 01-12-2007, 04:11 AM   #836
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I am 19 years old. I started using Linux a little over 1 year ago with Mandrake 10.1, went to 10.2, then Mandriva 2005, then I toyed with Fedora Core 4-5, messed with Ubuntu and eventually landed in Kubuntu as my home distro(I like the built-in functionality of KDE better than Gnome). Before then, I had never even "heard" of Linux, and a Mac was something that you heard about and never saw. Honestly, I can't remember the last time I had to compile a piece of software. I mean I've done it on several occasions, it's just been a long time since I needed to. Package managers make installing/upgrading most of the stuff you need as easy as clicking on it. All the other software I have either comes pre-compiled so you just run an executable, or in a .deb format so I just run it like a .exe in Windows. And with universal installers like .deb's and .rpm's, you can have automated installers where you never have to look at a command line. You know what hurts Linux in the software world? The fact that most commercial software companies are dedicated to Microsoft, and they write proprietary software without including a linux installer, leaving us in the dark to even create our own installer. Linux won't hit big on the desktop world because like it or not, Linux was created by geeks for geeks. It's a geek OS with certain quirks and aspects that only geeks care about or appreciate. The common user does not care if their software is open source, they do not care how the software actually works, they just want it to work. Linux users on the other hand though have a tendency toward wanting to know exactly what the software is doing, wanting access to the source code so they can troubleshoot bugs themselves or change the software to suit their needs, and caring about and appreciating open source software and its advantages. For Linux to become a major market player in the competition against Apple and Microsoft, I think would deviate from its roots of being built "by geeks for geeks", but that still doesn't mean we shouldn't make things for Linux to save ourselves time, that's why we have .deb's/.rpm's and package managers, :-)

To be honest, I'm very satisfied with the state of Linux operating systems as they are now. There are many very complete Linux operating systems out there today, all of which are very good, stable and usable as a desktop OS. I've never found anything I couldn't do in Linux except gaming, in fact I've found it much "easier" to do a lot of things in Linux than in Windows. None of the Linux OS's I've used have ever crashed(X has died, but being kicked to a bash prompt in order to fix the problem is a lot better than a BSOD followed by a forced restart). Alas, as a PC gamer, I am required to keep Windows around on a second hard drive as my Wintendo, because Wine is not in a state of perfection yet, and 90% of game makers only produce for Windows, even Macs are getting the short end of the stick with either Mac ports coming out late, or not coming out at all, but aside from that, all of my time is spent in Kubuntu. I feel safer, and more at home knowing that I can do whatever I want to my OS. (I'm a freak for writing little programs to do stuff for me, something that I found to be a million times easier in Linux)

And that's my little scoop on desktop Linux.
 
Old 01-12-2007, 08:01 AM   #838
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There are plenty of free and commercial software for Linux if you just look around a bit. unfortunately a lot of Windows fanboys don't want to look around.

It's easy to wake up the sleeping. It's impossible to wake up those who pretend to be asleep... it's those pretenders who're missing out on all the goodies, while the rest of the world are catching on...
I can't run most adobe apps on linux. I'm not "sleeping". It's not a matter of "looking around a bit" to find them for linux. I can't run most adobe apps on linux, period.
 
Old 01-12-2007, 08:05 AM   #839
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I'm seeing some personal testimonies about what people do personally, themselves "for me, myself, I run every app I need to" blah blah. That has nothing to do with linux becoming mainstream. Stop thinking of yourself. No one cares. Thinking of yourself and what you personally need is irrelevant. Think of what linux does for other people vs what windows or macos does for other people. The huge majority of commercial apps run on MacOS and Windows, and not linux, and whether you're personally happy or not doesn't matter for the future of linux.
 
Old 01-12-2007, 08:23 AM   #840
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I'm seeing some personal testimonies about what people do personally, themselves "for me, myself, I run every app I need to" blah blah. That has nothing to do with linux becoming mainstream. Stop thinking of yourself. No one cares. Thinking of yourself and what you personally need is irrelevant. Think of what linux does for other people vs what windows or macos does for other people. The huge majority of commercial apps run on MacOS and Windows, and not linux, and whether you're personally happy or not doesn't matter for the future of linux.
Ah, I've used linux 10+ years. It's been fine for the users who have used it for years even in a minority, just as apple does fine in a minority. Who cares if it's 'mainstream'. It won't change what it is.

As for people thinking of themselves. Here's a hint. They are the users. What the users think does matter. The linux users get what they want out of linux. The developers like to keep the users happy, and the users like to keep the developers happy. The objective is not to make the windows users happy as most are only happy with windows. They want free windows, and linux just doesn't fit into their narrow view of the software world.

As for all these apps. There are a good range of OSS apps. And there are ways of running a great many windows apps as we speak.

If you think linux needs the support of major software houses, then go lobby them. It's their choice whether they support linux or not, and whether they will go against the MS wrath.
 
  


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