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I especially like the four games it comes with - Hearts, FreeCell (so addictive!), Minesweeper, and Solitaire. It's easy to see why XP is considered the ultimate platform for gamers.
With Windows XP Home, I have the peace of mind that comes with knowing my habits and activities are being monitored by Microsoft, and my computer's hardware configuration and list of installed software is being stored in a database in Redmond.
This guy's right...I think I'm gonna call the state police and turn myself in for speeding to work this morning.
This is a tough one.....Let's see if we can figure it out:
1. He makes his living as an MCSE.
2. Microsoft helps people who are MCSEs
Therefor, he might have a motivation to have a slight bias towards Windows???
I KNOW that MS would never incentivize anyone to write such articles.......
* Windows versus Linux - Applications and Utilities
I save a lot of time thanks to Windows XP, which brings me to another area where Linux is lacking. As I am sitting here writing this column, my computer is busily defragging my hard drive, running my virus scanner, and I'm being shown a list of all the latest MS security patches that are being remotely installed on my machine today. Why doesn't Linux come with any defragmenting tools or virus scanners or Active Backdoor Update like you get with Windows? These are all must-have features for me. Linux is seriously lacking in Internet utilities as well. No way would I run a Linux operating system if it means I can't connect to America Online. Also, where is Microsoft Office for Linux, Windows Media Player for Linux and Outlook Express for Linux? Nowhere to be found. If I can't type a letter, make a spreadsheet, or email anyone with Linux, why on earth would I ever put it on my desktop?
I'll take this one on: Linux doesn't fragment like windoze so it isn't much of a problem for Linux to begin with. We don't need a virus scanner either. We update our OS when we need to and it is more secure out of the box than windoze will ever be. Linux users are waaaaaaay to advanced for the childish AOL crap. Open office comes to mind to replace M$ Office. MPlayer plays the video thing. We have Kmail, Thunderbird and Mozilla to replace Outlook, your choice which is something you don't have much of in windoze. Why would a idiot like this need a computer to begin with???
I love linux sure linux has it's problems but
they do get sorted out over time, and so does windows some times we are ahead some times they are behind or a head thats always been. linux is growing slowly. every time you come back to linux if you have left it for a year or so you can see inprovments
Open office comes to mind to replace M$ Office. MPlayer plays the video thing. We have Kmail, Thunderbird and Mozilla to replace Outlook, your choice which is something you don't have much of in windoze.
Open Office, MPlayer, Thunderbird and Mozilla are all available for Windows. The only one of those programs you listed that isn't available for Windows is KMail, but that one program is outnumbered by various other mail clients that are only available for Windows (Such as Outlook and Outlook Express, already mentioned).
How does that add up to less choice for Windows users?
You're missing the point. I never said that nothing was ever wrong with Windows. All I said was that it seems that some were just making up problems in Windows to make Linux look better. I think that is very immature and just makes the Linux community look bad.
Whether or not Microsoft has conducted itself with questionable business practices is another issue entirely. In fact, they may have. I don't disagree with you on that subject.
All I want is for Linux users to stop bashing Windows by saying it's "error prone," because it usually simply isn't the case. If you disagree with Microsoft's business practices, then all the more power to you. Just focus on bashing their business practices instead of the software.
No, both technical and business issues are central to the matter. It is many times the cases that Windows contains technical flaws. Really, given the resources at their disposal, it contains embarrasingly disproportionate amount of errors. Furthermore, many issues related to Linux are due to business practices of Microsoft and other companies. If you believe again, that it "usually simply isn't the case," then I invite you to at least make a cursory study of the issues Windows users have found on Usenet or any online forum, etc. Let's not be coy about this.
Really, given the resources at their disposal, it contains embarrasingly disproportionate amount of errors.
It is not relevent how much they have at their disposal. The absolute quality of the software is the same regardless of how many resources the distributor has. The proportional amount of flaws with respect to resources is an entirely different debate. Again, on that particular topic, you may well be correct.
Originally Posted by Vagrant
Furthermore, many issues related to Linux are due to business practices of Microsoft and other companies.
Actually, I agree with this outright. The vast majority of the issues in Linux are related to hardware support. But are the related business practices questionable? I do not think they are. If NVIDIA/ATI do not want to release open source drivers for their hardware, then that is their right. If Microsoft would like to bundle MSIE into their operating system, that is also their right. It is not the responsibility of businesses to support open source software. It is the responsibility of open source software to support itself. If competitors are causing problems for your cause, then find solutions, be competitive, and overcome them. Will open source software eventually do this? I think it will. It is ironic that many people are willing to complain about business shutting the power of Linux out to them when they fail to realize that the amount of potential Linux has is so enormous! Enormous to the point that business intervention probably will not even be needed or relevant in the future.
Originally Posted by Vagrent
...then I invite you to at least make a cursory study of the issues Windows users have found on Usenet or any online forum, etc. Let's not be coy about this.
And I will invite you to make a cursory study of the issues Linux users have found. In fact, this very message board would be convenient place. Or even at Debian's bug tracking system. In every case, the results would be invalid because there are simply too many variables involved. How experienced is the user? How hard did they try to solve the issue? Are they using correct administration practices? Are they being careless?
It is not relevent how much they have at their disposal. The proportional amount of flaws with respect to resources is an entirely different debate. Again, on that particular topic, you may well be correct.
Let me see if I follow your thought pattern here:
You claim Vagrant's ascertion was irrelevent, his logic is flawed, and then you concede that he is correct?
It is very disengenuous to claim that Windows is problem free. In fact, based upon their monopoly and their strong arm tactics forcing hardware and software manufacturers to submit to MS, it should be intolerable to have any flaws at all.
Hardware and software are created to the exact specifications that MS outlines. With vendors working in their favor AND freely sharing source code, MS only has to manage their code and they can't even handle that. All those highly paid software engineers are too incompetent to write decent code when the hard part has already been done for them.
How many vendors refuse to share source code with the Linux community? Linux coders are forced to reverse engineer very complicated drivers, from the ground up. The Linux community rises to the challenge and in most cases ends up with a better hardware driver than the vendor and MS provided in the first place.
With everything on their side, MS products continue to be shoddy. With almost no help from the PC community at large, Linux continues to excell. Why is that?...It's because the Open Source model WORKS and it works much better than MS's approach to software development.
Linux is less of an underdog every day as vendors see the benefits and open themselves and their code to the Open Source community. We still have a long way to go but we have more going for us every day. The writing is on the wall because of MS's weaknesses and the strengths of Linux.