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Old 07-10-2006, 07:51 PM   #181
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However, I am using Suse 10.1 and WindowMaker and enjoying myself in Linux. It is just that I LOVE speech recognition and I LOVE text to speech, so I occasionally have to reboot and go into Windows Vista.
Doesn't Windows Vista come out sometime next year?

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And I HAVE TO RUN Dreamweaver, and I HAVE TO RUN Sound Forge.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand why you HAVE TO RUN things. Aren't there alternatives that would work equally well? To tell you the honest truth Dreamweaver, and all WISIWYG webpage editors should be burned (preferably in one pile so we can roast hot dogs). All they do is crap up the Internet with horrible code, and non-validated crap.

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In other words, if I want to do anything significant besides browse the web, I have to leave Linux.
Hmm, and my problem is reverse of yours. If I want to do anything significant I have to find a Linux box. All Windows is good for is...can't think of anything right now, but you mentioned voice so I'll accept that.

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So, I would LOVE to leave Windows behind and just run in Linux. Any suggestions for the above Linux limitations and problems and lacks?
I hate to say it, but if you really want to use Linux; then some things you will just have to deal with.

Regards,

Alunduil
 
Old 07-11-2006, 02:41 AM   #182
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Linux, Finding Windows

1. Do I have to mount the drive I'm running Linux on? Windows Vista is on the same drive.

2. Doesn't Windows Vista come out some time next year?

The beta is out now. It works well for me. I was running 64-bit XP, but my free trial ran out, so I'm trying the Vista free trial.

3. Since you can do everything with Linux, what speech recognition software do you run? What text-to-speech application do you run?

Yes, WYSIWYG is evil, just like the Puritans always knew. But I find that Dreamweaver does what I want to do and doesn't cause me problems. Should I be burned at the stake?

Perhaps I don't have to run Sound Forge. What program would you recommend for editing sounds? I can't get my microphone to work in Linux (works fine in Vista, of course), but maybe I'll eventually get it to work.

When I tried Nvu, I thought it sucked compared to Dreamweaver.

You give me a million speech recognition programs to try. Thanks for the homework! That's the answer, MAYBE I can find an answer SOMEDAY, after trying EVERYTHING? How about someone saying, "I use ___, and it's great!" If there is no one saying that, why do I have to try all that stuff? When people use those programs and love them, why don't they talk about how great they are?

Maybe you can point to me to a web site where ONE PERSON is saying, "I am doing great with speech recognition in Linux!!" or "I LOVE the voice I'm using for text to speech in Festival!!" No one seems to be saying that.

I don't actually HAVE to run the stuff I listed, but NO ONE has given me an equivalent to any of them. So, the basic answer is, "leave your possessions behind and follow us. The things that you value are worthless. We are the Way and the Light."

Sorry, I don't believe that. I'll keep enjoying Linux and trying to use it. But I won't join your religion.
 
Old 07-11-2006, 03:34 AM   #183
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There is a text to speech program that runs under KDE, i can't remember what it's called, but i saw it when messing around in kalarm, i'll post it when i get home.

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You give me a million speech recognition programs to try. Thanks for the homework! That's the answer, MAYBE I can find an answer SOMEDAY, after trying EVERYTHING? How about someone saying, "I use ___, and it's great!" If there is no one saying that, why do I have to try all that stuff? When people use those programs and love them, why don't they talk about how great they are?
unfortunatly things dont work like that , especially with Linux. You're going to have to do alot of research and testing and trial and error. You don't HAVE to try anything, we're just here to help, and point you in the right direction.

*edit* bugger, re-read your post, i think it's festival i was thinking of, my apologies
 
Old 07-11-2006, 04:14 AM   #184
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1. Do I have to mount the drive I'm running Linux on? Windows Vista is on the same drive.
The partition still has to be mounted.
 
Old 07-11-2006, 04:22 AM   #185
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Sorry, I don't believe that. I'll keep enjoying Linux and trying to use it. But I won't join your religion.
Dude, everyone here will help you out as much as you want, but it sounds like you've made up your mind already. It seems like you are pretty happy with Windows, why bother with linux at all?
 
Old 07-11-2006, 04:49 AM   #186
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And AFAIK, there is no decent excuse for speech recognition. By the way, Windows Vista has excellent speech recognition, right out of the box. And there's Dragon Naturally Speaking, which is expensive, but it works.
And what has that got to do with Linux or this board, for
that matter? Complain to Dragon or IBM, ask them to
port their stuff.


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However, I am using Suse 10.1 and WindowMaker and enjoying myself in Linux. It is just that I LOVE speech recognition and I LOVE text to speech, so I occasionally have to reboot and go into Windows Vista. And I HAVE TO RUN Dreamweaver, and I HAVE TO RUN Sound Forge. In other words, if I want to do anything significant besides browse the web, I have to leave Linux.
Well, since all you like is windows-related I'd just suggest you stick
with that. There's really no point in what I consider a ramble about
the shortcomings of Linux. As far as doing anything significant goes:
on my wives 64bit rig we can't watch TV under windows XP, but
Linux does that very well. If I want stuff at work done I definitely
don't use windows.

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So, I would LOVE to leave Windows behind and just run in Linux. Any suggestions for the above Linux limitations and problems and lacks?
Linux is fine, your priorities are lacking. Linux != Windows for free.
And the software support you're asking is for commercial products;
ask the vendors, not other users.


Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 07-11-2006, 08:12 AM   #187
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for Geneven:
After the extensive diatribe, it's tempting to just post some smart-ass comment like: "Could you repeat the question."

I share your frustration---I have had more than one "Why doesn't it work like Windows?" episode.....then I read somewhere that "Linux is not Windows"..... We're not here because Linux is the best solution to every problem--but rather because________________________. (Fill in your personal answer)

My personal choice is that I will never again purchase a Microsoft product. This is a decision made partly on moral grounds, and partly because I see their whole paradigm (Leave the thinking to us..) as unhealthy. I do keep Win2k on my home machine--but it is used less every year. Similar scenario at work.

I would suggest that you come here--and to other forums--with specific questions and with help for others. Where you find that Linux is not working for you, then I would certainly encourage you to do it another way. Dual-boot is your friend.
 
Old 07-11-2006, 08:28 AM   #188
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I use bluefish for html editor. Nvu is more like dreamweaver, I don't like awfull code generator.

Last time I tried speech recognition or text to speech in windows, it was pathetic.
(Not everybody is speaking english..)


For linux, festival should be the more advanced...

As tinkster said:

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And what has that got to do with Linux or this board, for
that matter? Complain to Dragon or IBM, ask them to
port their stuff.
This kind of field needs a lot of research. Research cost money. Computer research are not like physics or mathematical ones, they are applied with PATENT so that people pay and pay and pay.

With money you do everything even without idea: you buy the best researchers and you close and/or buy sartup companies that also do little research.

Welcome to the world
 
Old 07-11-2006, 12:06 PM   #189
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I never liked Windows right from the start and MS marketing methods turned me even more against it. Ashton Tate etc sufficed my needs for most of the time.

Resisted installing Windows until 98SE and as support for it is now ceasing MS made up my mind for me to drop it and move to Linux,which is probably the best thing that MS has done for me:-).

The most amazing thing I have found so far, apart from Linux itself, is the sheer volume and quality of documentation,that built into the system and that which tells you how to get at it. To me the Linux Documentation Project is proving a virtual goldmine. The various authors deserve a big vote of thanks and are to be admired for the quality of their work. As indeed does the whole Linux community for what they have given us.

Which leaves me with the thought as to what the present state of the art would be had Windows not emerged, or been thrust upon us.
 
Old 07-11-2006, 01:14 PM   #190
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I'm not sure what nx5000 was trying to tell me here, but I'll move
this thread to General now in the hopes that it gets merged into the
grand unified rant.
 
Old 07-11-2006, 02:50 PM   #191
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This rant makes about as much sense as saying "I want to use Mac OS X, but I need Internet Explorer 6 and the latest PC games."

You don't get an OS and then realize it doesn't do what you want it to do. You think about what you want to do and then pick the OS from there.

If I "needed" AutoCAD, Adobe Creative Suite (professionally), Flash Studio, and a host of other applications that didn't have sufficient Linux equivalents, then... I wouldn't use Linux.
 
Old 07-11-2006, 11:40 PM   #192
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Ok, I can see my Windows files now!

I guess I'm spending weeks and weeks on Linux and installing it for the zillionth time because I really hate Linux, I didn't realize that.

Actually, I was hoping someone would say, "What do you mean, you like Dreamweaver! ____ in Linux is much better! Text-to-speech? I use ________, it works great! Speech recognition, ___________ is the program to use! Sound Forge, bah! I edit files with ________ and it edits sound really well!

But no one gave me ANY helpful suggestions except to mount my drive, which I did, and it worked. Thanks! (And someone gave me a link to a list of programs they had never tried and suggested I go thru it. Actually, I had already seen that list and gone thru most of it. A lot of the links are inactive. None of them leads to a cool program that I could find.)

But I did get several suggestions that I drop Linux and go back to Windows, where, you're right, I have virtually no problems except that I need to buy more memory for my Vista setup. 1 gig seems a pretty good minimum.

Just do me a favor, readers. The next time that ANYONE says that you can do anything in Linux that you can in Windows, ask them for a good text-to-speech and speech recognition program, and send me its (their) name! In the meantime, I'll keep searching for programs that I can love in Linux.
 
Old 07-12-2006, 08:49 PM   #193
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Just do me a favor, readers. The next time that ANYONE says that you can do anything in Linux that you can in Windows, ask them for a good text-to-speech and speech recognition program, and send me its (their) name! In the meantime, I'll keep searching for programs that I can love in Linux.
Can you do me a favor and give me the same for windows for french or finnish language?

I'm interested, seriously.

Maybe it will be a reason for me to use a bit windows ( to go in the direction of what aysiu said, which is true )

Because my english is bad, see tinkster message

Thank you
 
Old 07-12-2006, 11:58 PM   #194
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French text to speech?

If you are willing to run Windows, you can go to the NextUp site and there are several voices that are probably better than whatever Festival has (I'd be happy to hear a contradiction!) for French. I couldn't find anything for Finnish. You can hear samples for free.

For the person who said he too has gone thru the stage, "how come it doesn't work like Windows" and moved thru another stage, let me add this.

I have probably installed a half dozen distributions of Linux, and I have probably installed Linux itself a hundred times. I don't give up easily, and I'm not giving up now.

I'm not saying "why doesn't Linux work like Windows?"

I'm saying "there are things I want to do and I don't think anyone on the face of the earth is doing them successfully in Linux." I hope I'm wrong. I didn't find any evidence that I was wrong here.

Still, Linux is a fun hobby...
 
Old 07-13-2006, 03:15 AM   #195
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Thanks, not bad for french I have to try the speech recognition tough its what I would be interested.
As I said, speech recognition is (I guess, am not expert) a lot of signal analysis and pure scientific research. It needs a lot of time of scientific research. To lower this time, you hire scientific engineers which you pay. I don't see how linux could go faster than this, unless somebody generous would give its findings to the community.

And linux is not only a hobby, believe me. If you have installed so many distros, I can't understand how you can say this... or you have only tested a little subset of Linux. I'm working on a lot of scripting and document generation, web hosting (how many apache compared to IIS on earth?) , security (no serious security if its closed, no trust) , network testing and in these fields, Linux is more clear, not marketing oriented, technical oriented, open. And its the same for Linux, it can not do everything...

Cheers
 
  


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