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Old 10-27-2007, 10:29 AM   #1591
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I have used Windows from the very beginning (Windows 1.02) all the way through 95, NT, 98, 2000 up to XP.
For many years I have sustained my family being a Microsoft Certified Professional / System Engineer and always joked that I was happy with so many problems that I had to solve, securing my job.

In parallel, around 1993 I got introduced to *NIX (I only had used some Minix in the past for study-purposes) at a company that used Sun Workstations. I learned to write quite complex shell-scripts.
In 1996, after becoming displeased with Windows 95, I started using a dual-boot setup with Slackware. Using this distribution, I felt I was "in control" again - something I couldn't say about Windows.

I have been dual-booting between Windows and Slackware until I discovered VMware server. Now I exclusively boot to Slackware, using VMware whenever I need to run something that isn't available for Linux.

For me, Slackware has proved to be infinitely more stable and secure than Windows. I will definitely NOT install Vista at home. It reminds me too much of Windows ME.

Unfortunately, I still use Windows at the office, because they have some corporate systems that I can only use this way. But this will also change, as they are moving everything to web-based systems. My notebook I use at work has a dual-boot setup with XP and Slackware 11. Booting XP means getting coffee, having a chat with colleagues, etc. Booting Slackware means productivity, less crashes.
 
Old 10-27-2007, 05:52 PM   #1592
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The BSD's, on the other hand, all have a much smaller list of vulnerabilities, with FreeBSD being at the top with the most, NetBSD in the middle, and (you guessed it), OpenBSD at the bottom with the fewest.
A black hat hacker doesn't even have time to exploit a security bug because the bugs get fixed _so fast_.
 
Old 10-28-2007, 02:54 PM   #1593
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A black hat hacker doesn't even have time to exploit a security bug because the bugs get fixed _so fast_.
Remember back in February when OpenBSD had that mbuf ipv6 vulnerability publicized? It only took them what, like a few days to have the fix available (and they had a temporary workaround available immediately)? I was pretty impressed with the response time, especially considering that the OpenBSD team isn't very large compared to many OS vendor development teams...
 
Old 10-28-2007, 03:35 PM   #1594
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Booting XP means getting coffee, having a chat with colleagues, etc. Booting Slackware means productivity, less crashes.
I agree completely...and I have a similar story to tell:

I have two development machines I use at work. One is a dual core 3.0 GHz Intel machine with 2 GB DDR667 and an 80GB SATA drive that's running Windows XP SP2 and SQL Server 2000, the other is a single core Celeron 1.8 GHz with 768 MB DDR333 and an 80GB IDE drive that's running Gentoo 2007.0 and PostgreSQL 8.2.

Amazingly, the Windows box always seem to lag behind the Gentoo box, even given the staggering hardware difference. Sure, the Windows box can chew through a dataset much faster than the Gentoo box, but the Gentoo box always seems to be more responsive and quick to launch tasks that I give it. I can launch a series of commands on the Gentoo box and it will happily grind through them without dropping a task, but the Windows box seems to consistently "forget" what it's doing if I give it too much work.

Once our replacement SQL Server dev server is up and running -or- we launch the next version of our flagship product (which will utilize Linux/PostgreSQL instead of Windows/SQL Server), Gentoo is going on the dual core...heh...I can't wait.
 
Old 10-29-2007, 04:55 PM   #1595
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I can launch a series of commands on the Gentoo box and it will happily grind through them without dropping a task, but the Windows box seems to consistently "forget" what it's doing if I give it too much work.
Did you ever tried FreeBSD? Man oh man now _THAT_ is Fast with a capital F. It sucks that I happen to have a ATI graphics card (Windows decision yes I know) otherwise I would be using that for everyday use.
 
Old 10-29-2007, 06:44 PM   #1596
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Did you ever tried FreeBSD? Man oh man now _THAT_ is Fast with a capital F. It sucks that I happen to have a ATI graphics card (Windows decision yes I know) otherwise I would be using that for everyday use.
FreeBSD is a mind-blowing OS. I've tweaked Gentoo to the point that I don't believe it could be pushed (much) harder than where I'm at, and FreeBSD stock install keeps up with it no problem. I've maintained a FreeBSD VoIP server here at my house for quite a few years now, but I hadn't tried FreeBSD as a desktop system until probably a year ago. WOW. I didn't think KDE could load that fast...I was really impressed! (I use a stripped down Gentoo install running fluxbox for my main desktop...and FreeBSD/fluxbox was even more impressive).

I don't use FreeBSD as my main OS on my main desktop (I had it dualbooted with FreeBSD/Gentoo for some time) because I'm playing around with LFS on that partition now and because I know how to maintain a Gentoo system better than a FreeBSD system...but it's definitely a contender in my "favorite desktop OS" category...

I'd really like to see the Gentoo/BSD (FreeBSD branch) take off, in all honesty...I'd likely never look back after that...heh.

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Old 10-29-2007, 09:54 PM   #1597
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Here is what I have learned and will say evry time some one dismiises mircrosoft windows as a error,bug or virus prone Operating system. it is not microsofts' fau,lt your computer crashes it is mearilly your fault sa a irresopnsible netizen that your computer running A microsoft based operating system crashes so listen up when your parents or guardians tell you not to go out and down every peice of "crap ware" you can and for pete sake update you anti spyware virus softwares' data base when it asks you to, and please don't purchase any anti virus spyware product from MCafee or Symantech (Nortan) bu instead for christ sakes use Zone Alarm Security Suite from Check Point who is well known for the incredible security track record of their Vitural private Network serverd and client side (V.P.N) software.

All I am saying is it isn't mircrosofts fault that windows system is thwe most widely used and hacked, istead it is the afault of all the 5to 15 year old idiots whodwnload Aol instant Meesenger and all of the Wild tangent CCrap ware rhat they download


Oh and Vagrant I don't like what you said twoards Steve Joobs and his very talented crew over at Apple, and when it comes down to it the whole point ofopen source software like Berkly Softwarwe Developement (B.S.D) Is that it is out their to be made better and allow the exchenge of free flowing thought and good old red blooded American Injanuity infact that is why we have Linus Turvalds tto thank for linux.

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Old 10-29-2007, 10:02 PM   #1598
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An old windows dogs s take on linux and OS x!!

Here is what I have learned and will say evry time some one dismiises mircrosoft windows as a error,bug or virus prone Operating system. it is not microsofts' fau,lt your computer crashes it is mearilly your fault sa a irresopnsible netizen that your computer running A microsoft based operating system crashes so listen up when your parents or guardians tell you not to go out and down every peice of "crap ware" you can and for pete sake update you anti spyware virus softwares' data base when it asks you to, and please don't purchase any anti virus spyware product from MCafee or Symantech (Nortan) bu instead for christ sakes use Zone Alarm Security Suite from Check Point who is well known for the incredible security track record of their Vitural private Network serverd and client side (V.P.N) software.

All I am saying is it isn't mircrosofts fault that windows system is thwe most widely used and hacked, istead it is the fault of all the 5 to 15 year old idiots whodwnload Aol instant Meesenger and all of the Wild tangent CCrap ware rhat they download


Oh and Vagrant I don't like what you said twoards Steve Joobs and his very talented crew over at Apple, and when it comes down to it the whole point ofopen source software like Berkly Softwarwe Developement (B.S.D) Is that it is out their to be made better and allow the exchenge of free flowing thought and good old red blloded American Injanuity infact that is why we have Linus Turvalds tto thank for linux.
 
Old 10-30-2007, 10:39 AM   #1599
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Here is what I have learned and will say evry time some one dismiises mircrosoft windows as a error,bug or virus prone Operating system. it is not microsofts' fau,lt your computer crashes it is mearilly your fault sa a irresopnsible netizen that your computer running A microsoft based operating system crashes so listen up when your parents or guardians tell you not to go out and down every peice of "crap ware" you can and for pete sake update you anti spyware virus softwares' data base when it asks you to, and please don't purchase any anti virus spyware product from MCafee or Symantech (Nortan) bu instead for christ sakes use Zone Alarm Security Suite from Check Point who is well known for the incredible security track record of their Vitural private Network serverd and client side (V.P.N) software.

All I am saying is it isn't mircrosofts fault that windows system is thwe most widely used and hacked, istead it is the fault of all the 5 to 15 year old idiots whodwnload Aol instant Meesenger and all of the Wild tangent CCrap ware rhat they download


Oh and Vagrant I don't like what you said twoards Steve Joobs and his very talented crew over at Apple, and when it comes down to it the whole point ofopen source software like Berkly Softwarwe Developement (B.S.D) Is that it is out their to be made better and allow the exchenge of free flowing thought and good old red blloded American Injanuity infact that is why we have Linus Turvalds tto thank for linux.
Perhaps I read this wrong...but Linus Torvalds isn't "red-blooded American"...rather, he's a soft-spoken finnish developer =) (And yes, I'm American, so don't take my comment as a "jealous foreigner" or whatever). If you mean that open source is built on top of "red blooded American Ingenuity", then perhaps you should review *the rest of the world's* contribution to OSS and computing in general. Sure, the U.S. is home to a tremendous chunk of the hardware manufacturers out there...but that doesn't mean that a German/Japanese/Italian/British/French/African/Russian/Chinese/etc... hardware manufacturer couldn't compete in today's hardware market.

I guess I'm to blame for my Windows Server 2003 install, which I can ensure you is NOT running some crap AOL/MSN/Yahoo/etc... messenger, or any other programs that I've not personally approved. Regardless of my efforts, I still have to reboot the thing at least once a month, and even though I've not had a serious security/virus/etc... issue yet, I find it mildly humorous that my *server* comes with Internet Explorer and a full-blown GUI built in! (Umm, if you can't admin the system without a point-and-click interface, perhaps you shouldn't be an "admin"?) As for McAfee, their AV is good but their security suite sucks teh big one.

ZoneLabs Security Suite is a joke. Sure, the firewall is awesome...but I wouldn't trust their AV/Spyware/etc... for anything. A firewall is but one facet of the security puzzle. To assume security based on your firewall is insanity at best. (Not to mention that the firewall is just a front-end to the kernel-level filtering services...too bad you can't audit the Windows kernel code if you get the desire to).

And I know this will stir up a barrage of arguments over what OS is used more, what OS is more vulnerable, etc... but if security is so good on Windows machines, then why is it that the Unix boxes that have been running the internet for decades now haven't had the history that M$ has with the numerous WinVirii that have caused so much headache in the past twenty some odd years? (That's not a fanboi comment...I'm well aware of major security incidents such as the Morris Worm that have affected Unix) M$ has a very poor history of security, and they're *just now* waking up to the concept that people want security, too...but to say that I'm/we're at fault for M$'s failures is garbage.

P.S. - it's Berkeley Software *Distribution*
 
Old 11-02-2007, 06:46 AM   #1600
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I'd really like to see the Gentoo/BSD (FreeBSD branch) take off, in all honesty...I'd likely never look back after that...heh.
Ouch! I wish it would fail. Why? FreeBSD is so fast because it isn't fragmented like Linux is. I think that that's the power of FreeBSD. Whenever people are making distributions without the their [FreeBSD dev's] base system they can seriously hurt FreeBSD.

I'm sorry. That's just my own opinion.
 
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Old 11-05-2007, 06:38 AM   #1602
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Ouch! I wish it would fail. Why? FreeBSD is so fast because it isn't fragmented like Linux is. I think that that's the power of FreeBSD. Whenever people are making distributions without the their [FreeBSD dev's] base system they can seriously hurt FreeBSD.

I'm sorry. That's just my own opinion.
It really is sad that I've allowed "lack of know-how" to keep me from using FreeBSD as my main desktop, so this weekend I stated my defiance against ignorance and dove in headfirst (installed FreeBSD on a spare partition).

Hrmmm...it took a few trial-and-error screw-ups (hello xorg-6.8 to xorg-7.2 upgrade...blarg!), but I now have a really slick FreeBSD system to call my own...whee! It's complete with hardware direct rendering...and FreeBSD seems even faster than the last time I used it.

I really like the fact that I have so much running on this machine right now (enough to make a Winbox buckle under and enough to seriously stress a Linux machine), and here I am surfing the web and enjoying over half my RAM being free. Awesome. I really do like FreeBSD...it's been the biggest threat to Gentoo's dominance as my main OS since I first tried it.

As for Gentoo/BSD...I stated that mainly because of my ignorance with FreeBSD maintenance. It'd be nice to have a FreeBSD "port" of the gentoolkit suite, but it's not entirely necessary (as I'm learning)...many of the "checkers" and "fixers" are built-in, or at least a quick ports build away. (I learned quite a bit this weekend...heh)
 
Old 11-05-2007, 08:50 AM   #1603
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i think if i were to use only systems that are not linux , i have to wait until my stuffs are all gone in one big blow ... but i have to choose between freebsd or solaris to be my next main system to work on ... probably solaris ...

and nowadays it seems to me that i dont need to worry much after installing any kind of system ...

but linux does give me the "right" impression of "working right out of the box" more ... lesser worries , something like windows systems which i dont really use it anymore ... probably 5 years down the road , linux can be even better and not just works great for 3d gaming and the likes ...



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It really is sad that I've allowed "lack of know-how" to keep me from using FreeBSD as my main desktop, so this weekend I stated my defiance against ignorance and dove in headfirst (installed FreeBSD on a spare partition).
You probably allready did this but have you read the FreeBSD handbook? That would be the only handbook you will ever need to read to fully understand FreeBSD in and out from a user/admin perspectif. I am busy reading it. It is awesome

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Hrmmm...it took a few trial-and-error screw-ups (hello xorg-6.8 to xorg-7.2 upgrade...blarg!)
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, but I now have a really slick FreeBSD system to call my own...whee! It's complete with hardware direct rendering...and FreeBSD seems even faster than the last time I used it.
Nice I am looking forward to the day that I can have a fully functional FreeBSD system. My problem is that I don't really know Unix-like systems work. Linux is a pain in the ass to fully comprehend That's what I like so much about FreeBSD; read one book and done!

Have fun with your FreeBSD installment Are you going to use it as your main OS? And if so are you going to use it as your only OS?
 
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You probably allready did this but have you read the FreeBSD handbook? That would be the only handbook you will ever need to read to fully understand FreeBSD in and out from a user/admin perspectif. I am busy reading it. It is awesome
Heh, that's how I "learned so much" this past weekend...the HANDBOOK!

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Lol XD
Oh, man...talk about a pain in the tailpipe...upgrading xorg from 6.8 to 7.2 nearly caused me to drop the entire installation altogether! I must've rebuilt xorg/modules/dependencies/etc... 2-4 times. I finally performed a minimal re-install from the CD, used portsnap to grab a current /usr/ports, built cvsup and used that to grab up-to-date system source, rebuilt world and kernel, rebooted, and *THEN* built xorg (flawlessly...first try).

I think it rates another blarg just for good measure.

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I am looking forward to the day that I can have a fully functional FreeBSD system. My problem is that I don't really know Unix-like systems work. Linux is a pain in the ass to fully comprehend That's what I like so much about FreeBSD; read one book and done!
I haven't done any benchmarking (I literally "finished" the install by launching a few make commands before I had to leave for work this morning...(it was a long night, and it's been an even longer day haha). When I get a chance to benchmark the graphics, I'll letcha know if it competes with my Gentoo install (I have a sneaking suspicion that it will compete rather well).

As for comprehending Linux...read the Linux from Scratch handbook...that will give you an unbelievable "view" into Linux (i.e. how stuff works and why). I started with RedHat and stayed there until I got comfortable, then I moved on to Gentoo (after a short stint with SuSE and Debian). I'm to the point that I'm comfortable with Gentoo now, so I've been debating on moving on (LFS? FreeBSD? OpenBSD?). I've been toying with LFS and FreeBSD/OpenBSD, but I haven't made my mind up yet as to which one I want to truly focus on.

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Have fun with your FreeBSD installment Are you going to use it as your main OS? And if so are you going to use it as your only OS?
Hrmmm...excellent questions. I'm going to have to wait and see. I graduate from college in less than 6 weeks (woot?), so I'll have more time to really get to know FreeBSD then. Probably won't make any decisions until after grad (have to have my Gentoo install...too much homework stored there!).

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