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View Poll Results: UNIX is better than WINDOWS
what?HELLO.i am UNIX. the best! 605 68.52%
whooa, wait a minute. Windows is BETTER than UNIX 48 5.44%
hoo-boy..i don't like both. 64 7.25%
errr...i don't know, what is UNIX afterall? 11 1.25%
windows?never heard of it... 155 17.55%
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Old 10-15-2007, 06:23 PM   #1576
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I have been rethinking Windows' existence today and came to the conclusion that currently it is not so bad at all...

The thing is that Linux is so good (to a certain level - let's not overreact and get all fanboyed up) it is getting more and more users everyday. IIRC last sunday there was a article at Slashdot that said that Linux's current marktshare was about 0.81% on the desktop and it is growing exponentially. Let's say that in every 100 households there is already 1 Linux pc and the current growthrate is exponential so it's getting better every month. Yes month because last month the growthrate had inceased by 50%! So Linux is getting there

But why do I think today's Windows' existence is nice? Well it's a bad example and makes Linux looks better! People feel liberated en empowered when they have switched, especially with Vista. Something that wouldn't happen if Windows never existed. This makes way for freedom as well. Also Windows sucks and takes all the crap (virusses) on itself while poeple who actually are interested in computers will get spared (mostly) and get a crap-free experience . Windows is a crap platform with stupid people (_only_ from a computer security perspective!) who then make bate for black hat hacking and encrapment which we will mostly never get untill Windows dissapears or when people will not adapt Apple computers any further.

And by today I mean today. The fact that it had existed sucked.
I don't agree with those numbers, considering it is impossible to count all the linux users in the world
 
Old 10-15-2007, 06:38 PM   #1577
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Personally, I consider XP to be quite useable. Had Microsoft not released the annoying piece of spam that is Vista, I may never have actually went to linux other than as a hobby. As is, my house is now mostly linux, I will only support windows at work, and I have let EVERYONE know, that Vista is not welcome on my home network for ANY reason. EVER.
 
Old 10-15-2007, 07:18 PM   #1578
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Personally, I consider XP to be quite useable. Had Microsoft not released the annoying piece of spam that is Vista, I may never have actually went to linux other than as a hobby. As is, my house is now mostly linux, I will only support windows at work, and I have let EVERYONE know, that Vista is not welcome on my home network for ANY reason. EVER.
The public's reaction to Vista is quite similar to the public's reaction to XP when it first came out. Many people were upset with activation and whatnot...and many said "I'll never upgrade." Those same people are saying that again now, and I imagine that in 5-6 years when Vista++ is released, they'll be saying "I'll never upgrade from Vista!"

I'm not saying you're one of those people...but I thought I'd point that out since it seems to be a trend within the Windows community.

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Old 10-15-2007, 07:47 PM   #1579
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The public's reaction to Vista is quite similar to the public's reaction to XP when it first came out. Many people were upset with activation and whatnot...and many said "I'll never upgrade." Those same people are saying that again now, and I imagine that in 5-6 years when Vista++ is released, they'll be saying "I'll never upgrade from Vista!"

I'm not saying you're one of those people...but I thought I'd point that out since it seems to be a trend within the Windows community.
Yeah, I remember that. I also was one of the first to upgrade to XP. I thought it was great, had avoided going to 2000 due to it's issues with gaming, so jumped on XP immediately upon it's release. Didn't really see any reason not to like it, it was the best of both worlds (nt & 95). Vista's just a pain. The constant pop-ups asking for my permission is annoying. And if you turn that off, then you might as well be running windows 95 for all the security it has.
 
Old 10-16-2007, 04:16 AM   #1580
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Vista's just a pain. The constant pop-ups asking for my permission is annoying. And if you turn that off, then you might as well be running windows 95 for all the security it has.
Vista's UAC (the annoying popup stuff) is only one of two useful security features that Vista has. ASLR is the other one (and it's available if you're running Ultimate or whatever the corporate version is...I forget the name). Address Space Load Randomization (and the equivalent Address Space Layout Randomization on *nix) is the PIE (Position-Independent Executables) portion of PaX...it allows executables to load in memory like a shared library (i.e. with a pseudorandom location, making it more work for exploit writers to correctly guess offsets). I find it mildly ironic that Microsoft implemented ASLR but not SSP (Stack Smash Protector), which would seem to be the more aggressive security solution...but that would probably break applications left and right and cause major headaches (as if Vista isn't already dealing with that?!?).

UAC, on the other hand, is like reverse sudo. Administrator accounts run in "reduced permission mode" (and we all know that 99% of the Windows users out there run as Administrator of some sort), and when admin priv is required, that little popup comes up and asks if you'd like to continue. It'd be like sudo not requiring a password...just click a button and presto! Instant root priv...sigh.

At least it's a step in the right direction...
 
Old 10-16-2007, 07:18 AM   #1581
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Personally, I consider XP to be quite useable.
the first time i used winxp it was installed on a celeron 1000mhz 256 ram and it froze on me i never found it useable multitasking is a joke compared to macos x or linux
i've taken a look at vista on my boss laptop really not impress at all took me 30 seconds (i 'm an impatient pervert old guy)to find that stupid hidden shutdown button.Anyway bill thinks that everybody is wiling to buy a new pc for each of his new resource-hungry inferior os.
 
Old 10-16-2007, 02:43 PM   #1582
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The public's reaction to Vista is quite similar to the public's reaction to XP when it first came out. Many people were upset with activation and whatnot...and many said "I'll never upgrade."
That's what I was saying when XP came out and I've switched to it. And I was right in the beginning because before SP1 came it sucked as fuck. It was at the time many people had a P3 and it was so resource hungry it was a pretty stupid move to switch. So when it became interesting and I bought a Athlon 2800 XP+ it was time to make the switch.

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Those same people are saying that again now, [...]
And they are right onces again.

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[...]and I imagine that in 5-6 years when Vista++ is released, they'll be saying "I'll never upgrade from Vista!"
And they are probably right again because then we have great newbie friendly Linux releases and the next Windows version would be sucking again in the beginning.

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I'm not saying you're one of those people...but I thought I'd point that out since it seems to be a trend within the Windows community.
And for a good reason.
 
Old 10-16-2007, 02:44 PM   #1583
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Vista's just a pain.
Every version of Windows has been a pane, er, I mean pain. So fragile and has to be cleaned often - kinda like a ... window.
 
Old 10-17-2007, 12:53 AM   #1584
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I personally think Windows has come a long way. And as of right now it has an edge over Linux in more ways than one. Although I only use Linux right now, Ubuntu Feisty Fawn. Feisty Fawn is good, and easy to use even though I'm more than comfortable in bash (for the most part). Media support is inevitably 'better' with windows, install is cleaner and software is streamlined for my hardware which is VERY hard to overlook. But as I said the only OS on my Comp right now is Linux. So I put up with the minor annoyances and glitches (really I have only had problems with more exotic features such as Beryl). Ubuntu doesn't have a BSOD, rather a 'moving mouse of death' where Xorg is unresponsive and only the mouse input is responsive(power down via the power button has gone beyond 'old' BUT also made me fall in love with ReiserFS); 2007... Windows' BSOD issues have moved almost to a thing of the past, at least with my experience. Mp3 support is illegal albeit easy to acquire with Linux, ogg is a great replacement but has no support. Vista, better security but not great.....This is where Linux wins me over as of now, but I probably like Linux security more because I have really only spent time learning it, not windows.....
 
Old 10-17-2007, 01:03 AM   #1585
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. Vista's just a pain. The constant pop-ups asking for my permission is annoying.
I find typing a password as an equivalent to these pop-ups much more annoying, ie sudo or su, but security dictates this need be done....PAM is a refreshing break if I'm doing a few root chores =)
 
Old 10-17-2007, 09:45 AM   #1586
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ah, but typing a root password (or your own) makes you stop and think about what you're doing.
Merely having [Allow] [Cancel] will cause people to mindlessly default to clicking [Allow].
 
Old 10-17-2007, 10:53 AM   #1587
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ah, but typing a root password (or your own) makes you stop and think about what you're doing.
Merely having [Allow] [Cancel] will cause people to mindlessly default to clicking [Allow].
Exactly my point.
 
Old 10-17-2007, 04:09 PM   #1588
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Thats exactly why i use Mac OS X because it has the reliability and rock solid run time statistics of Linux and its other Unix based cousins
 
Old 10-23-2007, 02:58 PM   #1589
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Thats exactly why i use Mac OS X because it has the reliability and rock solid run time statistics of Linux and its other Unix based cousins
Mac OS X' security is a joke. Because it borrows heavily from FreeBSD and is only updated every year a black hat hacker just has to look at security fixes in FreeBSD and exploit the security vulnerability in Mac OS X. When Mac OS X going to get widely used you are a dead man.
 
Old 10-24-2007, 11:29 AM   #1590
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Mac OS X' security is a joke. Because it borrows heavily from FreeBSD and is only updated every year a black hat hacker just has to look at security fixes in FreeBSD and exploit the security vulnerability in Mac OS X. When Mac OS X going to get widely used you are a dead man.
Not only that, but if you do a CERT search for OS X you'll get a list that's roughly twice as long as that of Linux or XP. Guaranteed, those aren't all critical remote vulnerabilities, but while OS X can flaunt virus resistance, it can't flaunt security in general.

The BSD's, on the other hand, all have a much smaller list of vulnerabilities, with FreeBSD being at the top with the most, NetBSD in the middle, and (you guessed it), OpenBSD at the bottom with the fewest.
 
  


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