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H_TeXMeX_H, you usually have some sensible posts about a variety of subjects, but lately all your "science"-related posts show you understand very little of it.
This last post of yours seems to be a mix of "information" gleaned from all the conspiracy and anti-vaccine nutcases on the web, so it is hard to know where to begin. You don't even provide citations for the claims you dumped in your post, and at a glance some are just flat out wrong (mercury =/= ethylmercury FFS).
Like a shipwrecked oil tanker, your post spills out a huge amount of bullshit in a short amount of time, but the cleanup job will take orders of magnitude longer.
I will post a proper response when I have more time, a lot more time.
Take your time posting, make sure to debunk me thoroughly ...
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Oh, and just so you know, I'm not telling people not to take the vaccine, I never said that, and I won't ever say that to anyone. It's your choice, and it's mine too, and anyone that thinks they can deprive me of choice should think again, for their own good.
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They also contain a rare ingredient not many people hear about: squalene. One should not here that squalene is NOT approved by the FDA for use in a vaccine !!! Yet, they approve this vaccine, and the HPV vaccine Cervarix. Squalene is more dangerous than you might think, just google it and you'll see. Probably even more dangerous than mercury.
Just to counter the phenomenal amount of bullshit coming out of this thread (where are my barn boots when I need them), NO, the H1N1 vaccines do NOT contain squalene. Squalene is used in some vaccines as a adjuvant, but NOT in ANY of the flu vaccines. The short reason is that the flu vaccines cause enough of an immunological reaction on its own, it doesn't need an adjuvant.
Not only are the amounts of thimerosal in vaccines in the range of a few micro grams, but the compound is easily disposed of by our bodies (has a half-life of about 7 days after inoculation). So it doesn't accumulate in our bodies like mercury, hence my objection to your claim that pure mercury is used in the vaccines.
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Take your time posting, make sure to debunk me thoroughly ...
Yeah, that post is a very big tank of dung to wade through, it may take some time.
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Oh, and just so you know, I'm not telling people not to take the vaccine, I never said that, and I won't ever say that to anyone.
With the misinformation you are spreading, you may as well be.
H_TeXMeX_H, you're usually a bright guy, but I have to agree with easuter. People here, including you sometimes, complain about FUD when it comes from Microsoft or some other "authority". Well, sir, by the competency and Guru status you hold here at LQ, you're sort of an "authority" here, and you are spreading FUD about the vaccination process, the flu in particular here. How is that any different?
It is your right to not take any vaccine, but please don't use your influence here to spread your conspiracy driven uncharacteristically paranoid views about vaccines to everyone here. You're sort of a minor public health menace.
Is Swine Flu worth all this fuss and bother? Is it really worse than any other strain of flu that has afflicted us?
Depends on your viewpoint. It does seem to cause more fatalities than normal flu, but it also causes them in different demographics than flu normally does, namely young adults. Yes, there seems to be a strong correlation with fatality and other health problems which is probably an indication that yes, this is a rougher flu than normal. However, at least so far it hasn't turned out to be the overwhelming evil that some news outlets made it to be. Neither was it cooked up in a "gubmint" lab in order to take away our lawyers, guns and money.
Before agreeing with easuter, please consider his perspective.
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John Holdren is an advocate of population control, something that has to be done if our species is to make it into the 22nd century with a relatively high standard of living.
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In a world with dwindling resources and an exploding population, there are two main outcomes: (1) leave the population unchecked and exceed the planet's carrying capacity, at which point famine, disease and war will forcibly reduce the population; or (2) stabilize the population at point where there are enough resources to be more or less equally distributed and quality of life remains "comfortable".
Arguably, we have already taken the first route, and it isn't going to be pretty.
Viewable on the 92nd post on page 7 of the conspiracy thread.
I disagree entirely. Whether or not the vaccine will kill you is irrelevant for the most part, for the time being.
The worry about the vaccine is .gov's engine-revving for the total control over everything in our lives, in any way they can. If you'll notice, a WHOLE LOT OF POWER was gained over the FEAR caused by the media, which was fed by the people who are supposed to "help" us, ala research facilities, and pharmaceutical corporations, which print statistics that are compiled by various other researchers, and released as statements of high probability based on their research, which hits the media, who interprets the information as, "ZOMG WE'S DAYED YA'LL! PANDEMIC! WE'LL ALL MISS WORK FOR DAYS, AND THE COUNTRY.. THE POOR COUNTRY!! ZOMG! In other news, there's an untested, highly suspect, and overflowing with valid, and understandable, though partially uninformed (I wonder why?) questions out there surrounding it.. VACCINE! Coming to a school next to you, and if you're one of the lucky ones in Massachusetts, IT'S MANDATORY! Public health officials state quite plainly, that even though there's no information on it, it's PERFECTLY SAFE!"
Of course, myself being very interested in programming, and mathematics, I understand explicitly that to state as fact something which has no information, will result in a failure of logic. It may compile, but it's not gunna work right.
It's like saying "Everyone on these boards masturbates to crush porn."
That'll pass as a real statement, but the truth behind it is.. that aint freakin true.
This is my issue with the vaccine. I don't care about it personally, because I'm not going to take it, and no one else I know is going to take it either, for a similar reason. Fine with me.
What I do have a problem with, is .gov putting in provisions to protect the pharmaceutical companies from issues resulting from their products, also pushing through an emergency pandemic clause which grants .gov the ability to ruin my life on a whim, etc. THAT'S the big issue here. .gov, not the flu, not the vaccine, but what .gov is using the flu and the vaccine for, and how all of this is one big clusterf*ck as far as the "founding documents" that Barack Obama "Believes in."
Yeah, well, I'm agreeing with easuter's opinion in this post, not whatever on page 92 page 7 of some other thread.
Beats me how people get it in their head that information they read on the internet is more reliable than information from the CDC, or from their medical professional.
If you are untrusting by nature, why believe information from any source, especially the internet? The internet is scam city, not the government. Since when did the US government try to sell you Nigerian bank shares? Go ahead, don't trust the government or anyone else, but then don't go quote something from anywhere on the internet and pass it off as more trustworthy.
Yeah, well, I'm agreeing with easuter's opinion in this post, not whatever on page 92 page 7 of some other thread.
Beats me how people get it in their head that information they read on the internet is more reliable than information from the CDC, or from their medical professional.
If you are untrusting by nature, why believe information from any source, especially the internet? The internet is scam city, not the government. Since when did the US government try to sell you Nigerian bank shares? Go ahead, don't trust the government or anyone else, but then don't go quote something from anywhere on the internet and pass it off as more trustworthy.
In other news, there's an untested, highly suspect, and overflowing with valid, and understandable, though partially uninformed (I wonder why?) questions out there surrounding it.. VACCINE!
Bullshit. Pure, unadulterated bullshit. This vaccine is as safe as any other. Does that mean 100%? No, nothing, not a single thing, is 100% safe. We have DECADES of experience with flu vaccines, and this is following the same path as any other flu vaccine. It is only the raving paranoiacs that are trying to make this out to be something evil.
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What I do have a problem with, is .gov putting in provisions to protect the pharmaceutical companies from issues resulting from their products
Do you have even a minute clue as to why this is needed? Because in a country full to the brim with paranoid, scientifically illiterate litigious morons who will bring suit at the drop of a hat, absolutely no vaccine is economically viable without this protection. Want smallpox back? How about rubella? Whooping cough? German measles? Care for an iron lung to go with your polio?
The bottom line is that the paranoiacs in the US are so blatantly ignorant that they have no idea how lucky they are. A number of truly devastating diseases have been either wiped out or brought down to truly remarkable levels by the work of that very government you're disparaging. But because your average US citizen is almost completely ignorant about history and science, nobody remembers how truly awful these diseases were, and are. Did people get hurt by the vaccines? Probably. But those numbers were dwarfed by the numbers of people killed and permanently injured by the diseases.
As it goes, it's not necessarily the government pushing anything on anyone. Once upon a time, the media had specialist reporters - so a science/medical reporter actually had some learning in the field he was reporting on and understood statistics and how they can mislead if you don't know what the numbers mean. Present day, the science reporter was a cookery or sport reporter (actually, sport reporters generally have to understand sport, so scrap that) the day before and has no idea what any of the magic percentages actually mean. That's why everything appears to give you cancer while also helping you lose weight and also giving you a magical sex life.
The media just print whatever they're told by the pharmaceutical companies and they don't question it because they don't have the knowledge or the experience to do so. I suspect that most of these "vaccine kills!!!" stories are actually 3 day things:
day 1: someone takes vaccine, dies. Papers go nuts with bigger and louder headlines
day 2: doctor says, in addition to the vaccine the person was actually seriously, deathly ill with other things and that's why they died. Papers say "....."
day 3: rinse and repeat.
Take your time posting, make sure to debunk me thoroughly ...
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Oh, and just so you know, I'm not telling people not to take the vaccine, I never said that, and I won't ever say that to anyone. It's your choice, and it's mine too, and anyone that thinks they can deprive me of choice should think again, for their own good.
I'll tell you not to take the vaccine if H_TeXMeX_H won't... The stuff is poison, and if you choose to put poison in your body, it your right to die, or have severe side effects... be a slave to the nonsense in the media. Go ahead trust what the; Corporate bought, special interest consortium of what we call an FDA tells you...
I've never had a flu shot, and never have had the flu.
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