What if the vaccine is a placebo and the whole deal is a publicity stunt?

I mean, just like that bimbo from the CDC said, "Just - get - your - damn - vaccine! Trust your government!"

The result would be - The ones that got the vaccine and didn't get the flu would think, "Thank you .gov! I owe you my life!"

The ones that got the vaccine and got the swine flu would think, "Well, can't win em all. Thanks for trying .gov!" assuming they lived.

The ones that didn't get the vaccine or the flu would still think, "WTF was that all about?"

The ones that didn't get the vaccine, and did get the flu might think, "Shitty.."

So, the majority of the people would either be in favor of the measures taken, or wouldn't know much about it.. The rest would remain a minority amongst those numbers..

meanwhile, .gov just got a whole lot of power, and that was their goal in the first place.
So, they have power, and a lot of people that gave it to em. What about the rest?

What if I am really a brain in a vat, and none of this is real? What if... never mind...

The scenario you present is pointless and extremely implausible, seeing as even small independent laboratories could examine the contents of the vaccines and determine of they are just saline solutions.

So by that logic, I could put some stuff in a liquid, hopefully containing some interestingly shaped objects around 3e-5cm

regardless of what it actually did, a small laboratory would consider that, "more than nothing, so it's probably what the manufacturer says it is..."

like me handing you a glass globe, with a string inside, and some clever stuff all around it,and saying.. LIGHTBULB!

Maybe not "placebo" as in.. sugar and/or saline injection, but a combination of stuff that doesn't really do anything..

Looks like a duck, but doesn't quack like one, or walk like one, then it must be a duck.. right?

So what you are suggesting is that after the vaccine has been FDA-approved and demonstrated to have the desired effect, the production facilities will start producing something completely different which does nothing, but that isn't detected by quality control checks (which by the way are mandatory for every single lot of vaccine produced)?

A conspiracy of massive proportions spanning multiple government agencies, corporations and even individuals (in multiple countries!) would be necessary to carry it out, without a whistle blower screwing up their dastardly plan...

You are familiar with Occam's Razor, right?

Incidentally, The Placebo Effect in itself is a field of study on it's own. The human mind is incredibly capable of convincing itself that something is so.

You know what? That's a darned good point..

The FDA injected someone with the vaccine, and then exposed them to the swine flu?

I'd like to see your sources on that, if you would be so kind as to provide them.

Also, further clarification of "desired effect" with sources provided would be much appreciated.

Double-blind tests FTW

Sigh...
After giving a test subject the vaccine, one would need to test for the presence of the presence of H1N1 antibodies, AFAIK.
What made you think that after receiving the vaccine, subjects would also be exposed to the live virus?

The articles and links Hangdog gave you have plenty on this.

Desired effect: appearance of antibodies in the bloodstream after the administration of the vaccine.

BTW: what is the hard evidence that lead you to speculating about this wild conspiracy where the vaccines do nothing and it is all just a ploy by the government to turn the planet into a global dictatorship?

The problem is that they're ignoring all this evidence sitting right under their noses! The Conspiracy minded among us have been worried about the government declaring martial law and taking over EVERYTHING for decades. People have been believing this stuff for AGES but as of yet, no grand one-world government has appeared. Or really even threatened to appear. Which leads me to one of two conclusions:

1) Nobody is actually trying to take over the country/world/universe and we can all just stop worrying

OR

2) Somebody IS actually trying to take over the country/world/universe but is so mind-bogglingly incompetent at it that in decades/centuries of trying they haven't been able to advance their agenda a whit. In which case we can all stop worrying.

I mean really. According to Wikipedia, the Illuminati have been trying to take over the world since 1776. If they haven't been able to pull off the New World Order in almost 250 years, I think they need to find a new line of work.

The links Hangdog gave me described certain aspects, but my question is a furtherance of the information I attained from those links.

I'm asking YOU -

Assuming antibodies were observable after the administration of the vaccine.. Fastforward 3 months or 3 years or whatever.. Expose that person to the recent version of the "swine flu" that, as noted, changes frequently.. as per the MO of viruses.

Does the subject succumb to the illness?

Have they tested that? It's one thing to design something to limit something else, but to actually implement it may yield different results..

Example - Body armor.

"Oh, yeah, it's cool.. I'm BULLETPROOF because of my BULLETPROOF vest."

then that subject, in all his testicular wisdom, allows himself to be shot with a 30-06. OOPS, that might have been a bad idea, on second thought.. Apparently bulletproof only means it'll stop some things, but not others.

Examples - lead core, hollowpoint .45ACP will be stopped by most level 3A armors. Steel core, full metal jacket, OTOH, won't stop. Some manufacturers produce products differently, as well. Some "level III" armors don't even work at all, but that doesn't stop the company from selling millions of them to police officers, and military units, and EOTWAWKI types all over the world. Because.. as you seem to believe..

Bulletproof means bulletproof.


@Hangdog - Rome wasn't built in a day. Also, back in 1776, it wouldn't have done anyone any favors to be the last person on earth, because other people were kinda necessary to survive.

Still, this is the way it is today. I mean, assuming perfection is the word of the day, a person could live by himself indefinitely, but that's not the case.

What if you get sick? Oops, I need stuff made by hundreds of other people, transported by hundreds of other people, and distributed by hundreds of other people.

What if your leg is mangled all the hell? Suck it up, pansy.. or go see a doctor.


Today? Well, robots are up and coming, technology is everywhere, and some of them might just be half decent.

Consider this - There've been people searching for the fountain of youth since they could conceive of such a thing. I suspect that's still going on today, and that the fountain of youth might just be technology, and .gov's owners might just have a good idea how to build it.

Yes they are

Obviously that if a new strain of the virus appears, then a new vaccine might be necessary. I think this is already the case with the "vanilla" seasonal influenza: every few years you need a new shot.

An over-elaborate example, but anyway...
Since when did anyone claim that the vaccines were bullet proof or worked in ALL cases. Nothing we produce is 100% fool-proof and whether you believe it or not, the CDC acknowledges this and more importantly is actually doing something about it.

But anyway, you have conveniently ignored the historical data that we have: large scale vaccination has reduced the occurrence (and in some cases eliminated) disfiguring and deadly diseases. Maybe there were also conspiracy wackos around the time of the Smallpox Eradication Program with the same (or similar) arguments that you and TeX are trotting out. At least they didn't have the web to spread their bullshit to gullible folk who don't know any better...

Wanna make a bet. I bet you anything that even if they vaccinate everyone, there will still be a pandemic.

Definitely! But placebos come in all shapes and sizes - sugar pills in a plain brown box have a much smaller effect than if the box is brightly coloured and looks expensive. As well, different coloured pills are perceived to work differently - even when the contents of the pill are identical. Fascinating stuff.

Indeed, but did you realize that most of the article doesn't even make sense.

How could they all get on at once ? It's impossible, even with a pandemic. And I assure you that if the internet would crash in such a situation then it would have already crashed. People live in different timezones, some are sleeping, some are working, some are doing other things.

See here:
http://www.internettrafficreport.com/event.htm

So then, why censor the internet ?

Ok, but they just said that the important ones use proprietary networks ... so they won't be affected. But, we still need to censor the internet.

Yeah, I think I know why.

Imagine this:

The gubmint declares a major pandemic (didn't they just do that ?). They order people not to go to work or school or meeting places (like they said here "40 percent absentee rates at work and school at any given time"). You'll be at home, you won't be allowed to gather in groups in public places (exchange info). There will be cops and troops on the street to enforce this. The internet will be censored or even cut off. Likely phone lines will also have problems because of large numbers of people using the phones, and they will probably be limited to emergency calls only (I'm waiting for proof of this). Your only source of info is the Central propagaNda Network. And they will tell you what's going on, they won't lie. And whatever they tell you, you will believe, because you have no other source of info. They will have you like a rat in a trap. Divide and conquer.

In case it wasn't clear, my post was to point out that it looks like the whole thing was a "worst case/what if" scenario. Much like the whole "what do we do if the bomb drops". It's probably based on similar exercises around plagues and any biological terrorism tactics.