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Old 10-17-2009, 02:39 PM   #1
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If you can read German you can read the originals, but if not here are the translations:

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate...rUrl=Translate

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate...rUrl=Translate

Personally I don't believe in the vaccine, and doubt it will be any more effective than regular flu vaccine (useless).

Do take a look at the ingredients in the vaccine ... especially the "disputed additives". I won't say any more than that or the black helicopters ....
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Old 10-17-2009, 03:09 PM   #2
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I personally don't think swine flu is any worse than normal flu.

I've got a couple friends who've had it, I may have had it, everyone says it's just like having a bad cold.

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Old 10-17-2009, 03:16 PM   #3
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Well, currently, I don't think swine flu exists ... they say it does, but they cannot prove it, just ask them (pretty much all deaths occurred due to complications, and with non-specific symptoms, note here that flu-like symptoms == non-specific symptoms, there likely is no swine flu ... yet).
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Old 10-17-2009, 03:23 PM   #4
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You can't say that it doesn't exist because it hasn't killed anyone though. I'm sure they could prove it to you, you just wouldn't be able to understand it.

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Old 10-17-2009, 03:38 PM   #5
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You can't say that it doesn't exist because it hasn't killed anyone though. I'm sure they could prove it to you, you just wouldn't be able to understand it.

~Callum
I see ... I wouldn't be able to understand it ... heh, silly me, you must be right.


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Just so everyone knows, I think it's my attitude that makes me different from other people, I would never in my life, as long as I draw breath, say that someone else knows more than I do given the same source of info or is capable of understanding something that I cannot ... you will never hear me say that, ever. What one man can do, another can do (all other things being equal).

Anyway, I won't say any more about it, just do read the articles...
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Old 10-17-2009, 08:19 PM   #6
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I see ... I wouldn't be able to understand it ... heh, silly me, you must be right.


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Just so everyone knows, I think it's my attitude that makes me different from other people, I would never in my life, as long as I draw breath, say that someone else knows more than I do given the same source of info or is capable of understanding something that I cannot ... you will never hear me say that, ever. What one man can do, another can do (all other things being equal).

Anyway, I won't say any more about it, just do read the articles...
This is why you're one of my favorite posters here. You and I share a similar view on things. I wish more people were like me, because I do cool shit, and so can you.


ETA - I have a sneaking suspicion that the swine flu is mostly a scam. One more tool .gov uses to push the limits of an American, and global society, to attain power that's been sought since people had sticks to beat other people with.

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Old 10-17-2009, 08:29 PM   #7
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Swine flu is real, IMO, just like all the other strains are real. It's just that the relatively low number of deaths are far more publicised than the far greater number of deaths from "normal" influenza.

I'd love to hear how swine flu is allowing the illuminati government to attain more power than they have already. I already thought Nike, Exxon and Halliburton had that sewn up.
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Old 10-17-2009, 08:54 PM   #8
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Swine flu is real, IMO, just like all the other strains are real. It's just that the relatively low number of deaths are far more publicised than the far greater number of deaths from "normal" influenza.

I'd love to hear how swine flu is allowing the illuminati government to attain more power than they have already. I already thought Nike, Exxon and Halliburton had that sewn up.
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“They’re trying to develop an environment where they can take over,” he said. “We’ve seen that historically.”
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/AD-Hea...DeclareML.html


http://www.rense.com/general85/marta.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijNZg6KZHds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORR8mYLAqbA


WARNING - If you have a spine, you may smash things. NSFW!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow

If you can stand Glenn Beck...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M7awdLj1As


ETA - I apologize for using an article from Rense.



In foreign countries it may be different, but here in the states most people get violent from time to time, whether it's with their wives, their children, the police, the criminals, or their customers/service people, or some random douche at a bar, who knows.. It does not change the fact that we love to spit venom, and cast stones in glass houses.

My theory behind this is because people, deep down, know something is wrong, but because of a certain fubar truth of the matter, they instead vent their anger towards eachother, instead of the source.

Here's why -

People get their national news from a source that pre-chews it, and dishes it out as if you're a third grader incapable of peeing by yourself, and they take these newbie views and argue relentlessly over them. The issue is, it's false information to begin with, but they've become so accustomed to it, that without changing anything in their minds, you can still control everything they do, by appealing to their newfound child-like mentality, which allows you to put together an intricate system of undisclosed social "rules" which will ultimately lead to this self-quote being true..

(due to your majority population being too stupid to realize they're getting the shaft)

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Not only will they allow themselves to be controlled like animals, they will scream for it! They will argue vigorously against any man who suggests that they are anything more than what they are. - Dogs

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Old 10-17-2009, 09:02 PM   #9
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Glenn Beck? You've put Glenn Beck up there? Glenn "I hate 9/11 widows" Beck?? Seriously? He has a website dedicated to him you know - find it here.

Glenn Beck is the Fox News shock jock. Personally I'd believe someone who saw my future in the tea leaves before him.
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Old 10-17-2009, 09:17 PM   #10
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Glenn Beck? You've put Glenn Beck up there? Glenn "I hate 9/11 widows" Beck?? Seriously? He has a website dedicated to him you know - find it here.

Glenn Beck is the Fox News shock jock. Personally I'd believe someone who saw my future in the tea leaves before him.
Glenn Beck is a response to the amount of viewers Alex Jones has, IMO.

Fox realized that Alex Jones is insanely popular all of a sudden, and they didn't want to miss out on it. Don't watch Beck for Beck, watch
Beck for the video snippets he includes in his show.

Glenn Beck's program is an affirmation to my above claims of people getting their pre-chewed news from.. anyone but themselves.

It's, childish, and to reiterate, I quote Glenn Beck..

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I'm not a journalist. I'm a commentator.
Commentator? WTF do we need a commentator for? WHY does EVERY news station have commentators?

Well, because! It's not like the average idiot could come up with his own ideas! What fun would that be? The very saying of his elaborates to no end, exactly what I mean.. Too stupid to even realize it, even when it's RIGHT THERE FOR ALL TO SEE, some miss it.

The same strategy he argues against in certain segments, is the very strategy he uses. Just like Obama, just like everyone else in .gov's organization.

To paraphrase

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You're all idiots. I will tell you how it is, and you'll trust that because I exposed it, that I, myself, am not participating in it, therefore I am the good guy by default, even when deep down, I know in my heart that what I'm doing is very much not in your best interest. It's in mine!

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Old 10-17-2009, 10:08 PM   #11
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So we should trust him to be the good guy even though he says he isn't, but that makes him the good guy?
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Old 10-17-2009, 10:55 PM   #12
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So we should trust him to be the good guy even though he says he isn't, but that makes him the good guy?
That makes him a participant in the destruction of everything I hold dear..

Which is freedom, knowledge, and the ability to say, "I do things my way, because I am free to do so."

Listen to this bimbo explain what she found.. She later voted for Obama, whom I deem to be the single most influential person I've seen in my lifetime.

Note that influential == influential.

Influential person != good person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW9Pu...eature=related
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Old 10-18-2009, 05:23 AM   #13
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You know, even if we assume that swine flu is real at the moment (it doesn't really matter if it is, but it is not), the death rate is LOWER than regular flu. This means that it is no threat whatsoever, or no more than regular flu.

Still, they impose mandatory vaccinations, and soon this will include not only health care workers, but everyone.

Ethically speaking (I've got a medical ethics book here with me):

1) Autonomy: It is UNETHICAL to vaccinate anyone against their will, and actually to apply any treatment against their will. To do so is illegal and considered assault and battery.

2) "Your autonomy ends, where my safety begins". When an infectious disease you have is considered a threat to an innocent party, you can be quarantined against your will, BUT they still CANNOT apply a treatment against your will.

Now, this would mean that, while they can quarantine you, they CANNOT force you to take a vaccine, or mandate it. Doing so would be both illegal and unethical. But, they will try to do it.

Also, according to epidemiological studies, only 40% of the population would need to be vaccinated to prevent an epidemic, assuming the vaccine actually works.

Lets not even mention the fact that these pandemic vaccines have NOT been thoroughly tested.

They contain lots of mercury, in fact, Washington state had to temporarily suspend the maximum mercury limit to let the vaccine be applied:
http://www.doh.wa.gov/Publicat/2009_news/09-154.htm

They also contain a rare ingredient not many people hear about: squalene. One should not here that squalene is NOT approved by the FDA for use in a vaccine !!! Yet, they approve this vaccine, and the HPV vaccine Cervarix. Squalene is more dangerous than you might think, just google it and you'll see. Probably even more dangerous than mercury.

Mercury and squalene are known as adjuvants, and supposedly they increase vaccine effectiveness by increasing your immune response. That's exactly what they do, you can call them immunogenic substances, they increase your immune response. Only one problem here, in theory it should increase your immune response to the virus that is included in the vaccine that way you will generate more antibodies and B memory cells. But, in reality it increases your immune response against anything !!! including yourself and other foreign materials ... therefor it is autoimmunogenic. It can lead to severe autoimmune reactions ... such as Guillaume Barre, Gulf War syndrome, and others (including anaphylactic shock and death). There have been deaths already for both vaccines, google it.

... and now take a look at the article I posted above ... the soldiers and gubmint leaders are getting mercury and squalene -FREE vaccines, unlike the proles ... how interesting. I wonder why they wouldn't want to have these in their vaccines .... hmmmm .... I suppose I wouldn't be able to understand ... oh well.
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Old 10-18-2009, 09:03 PM   #14
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I plan to get a flu shot this week. Then I can go to work, the movies, etc, and not give it to other people.

I respectfully disagree with the anti-vaccine types. It sounds like a complete failure to assess risk, imho.

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Old 10-19-2009, 04:40 AM   #15
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I plan to get a flu shot this week. Then I can go to work, the movies, etc, and not give it to other people.

I respectfully disagree with the anti-vaccine types. It sounds like a complete failure to assess risk, imho.
Ah, so you have volunteered to test it, good. Maybe you can keep us updated on what it does.

(Not that I'll even be taking it, of course)
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