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Old 06-27-2013, 09:02 PM   #46
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Neither good nor evil are by accident but by appointment.
There goes the idea of free-will down the drain.
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Those treated most unfairly who themselves were fair will have their reward. Those who appeared to get by in life very well yet who were cheats and ruthless will have their punishment by degrees.
Considering Biblical texts says that no one shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven except through me (i.e. the Massiah) indicates this is an incorrect assumption. Just because someone has been treated badly yet has themselves always been fair does not mean they will get a reward.

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Old 06-27-2013, 09:05 PM   #47
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I can't say I know what the OP's point was in this thread.


I believe in God but that doesn't fully explain why suffering happens, why even the end of Heaven will happen.

Not sure I believe that bad things happen to bad people but I'd not like to test that personally. I try to be good if not for any other reason.

I always thought rain was a bad thing, turns out they wrote that in the desert to people who were farmers so rain is a good thing.

I still don't think this thread ought to get you guys so upset.

Even the tags are really poor ways to treat a member, even if one disagrees. I'd think the tags were there to help others find instead of hateful.

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Old 06-27-2013, 09:09 PM   #48
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"And lean not to your own understanding ..."
You keep repeating this and I'm quite familiar with it already. The Scripture is not like other books where you take what you like as you might with perhaps Bartlett's quotations et al. That's basically why the "Jews" were rejected. They were called to be a peculiar people, not like their neighbors. Yet it got to a point time and again that YHWH was their god besides all their other gods whom they tended time and again to alope with.

I'm not judging you but I know from experience you can have a very rich relationship with the living God.
 
Old 06-27-2013, 10:13 PM   #49
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I can't say I know what the OP's point was in this thread. . . why even the end of Heaven will happen.
Well, scholars who argue against the legitimacy of the Bible usually claim Isaiah had to have been written by at least 2 human authors. This particular question is important because Isaiah's prophecy within this book is probably the most explicit prophecy ever, that being the prediction not only that a Persian king would liberate the Jews but the exact name of the king-- Cyrus, who would free them, and that many years before Cyrus was born or even that Persia dominated the world.

Chapter 9 is important because it already establishes that Isaiah spoke about the future with the foresight of God since the events he spoke of came to pass, events any "Jew" would have scoffed at as absurd.
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The Bible says THESE heavens and THIS earth will pass away, but that there will be a new earth. There will be no sun but Christ will be our light.
 
Old 06-27-2013, 11:00 PM   #50
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Considering Biblical texts says that no one shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven except through me (i.e. the Massiah) indicates this is an incorrect assumption. Just because someone has been treated badly yet has themselves always been fair does not mean they will get a reward.
No one will escape hell nor enter the kingdom of God except through Christ, but some will barely escape hell while others will be highly honored by God.
 
Old 06-27-2013, 11:10 PM   #51
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No one will escape hell nor enter the kingdom of God except through Christ, but some will barely escape hell while others will be highly honored by God.
Barely escape? Care to explain the theology behind this. If "god" knows everything then he already knows who will and who wont get to their reward. There is no "barely escape" it is you either get there due to being treated unfairly while treating others fairly or you get their through the Messiah.

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That's basically why the "Jews" were rejected.
Care to define what a "Jew" is?

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Old 06-28-2013, 06:23 AM   #52
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Even the tags are really poor ways to treat a member, even if one disagrees. I'd think the tags were there to help others find instead of hateful.
Thanks for pointing that out, I haven't noticed those tags. I have removed them now.
Reminder to anyone: No personal attacks allowed.
 
Old 06-28-2013, 06:42 AM   #53
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Thanks for pointing that out, I haven't noticed those tags. I have removed them now.
Reminder to anyone: No personal attacks allowed.
Blue has often used tags to get people going and when asked about it he denies it. I still have a PM to and from him discussing it from a thread earlier this year where he had "k3lt01 Vs TobiSGD" in the tag.
 
Old 06-28-2013, 09:25 AM   #54
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Barely escape? Care to explain the theology behind this. If "god" knows everything then he already knows who will and who wont get to their reward. There is no "barely escape" it is you either get there due to being treated unfairly while treating others fairly or you get their through the Messiah.

Care to define what a "Jew" is?
1 Cor 3:15

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Technically, a Jew is someone physically descended from Abraham's grandson Jacob or lissted in the genealogic record of the Jews including converts to Judaism.
 
Old 06-28-2013, 09:30 AM   #55
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Blue has often used tags to get people going and when asked about it he denies it. I still have a PM to and from him discussing it from a thread earlier this year where he had "k3lt01 Vs TobiSGD" in the tag.
What!
 
Old 06-28-2013, 09:33 AM   #56
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Tagging a thread that deals with religion as "human stupidity" and "pointless" isn't a personal attack. It is an opinion.

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Old 06-28-2013, 09:40 AM   #57
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Blue has often used tags to get people going and when asked about it he denies it. I still have a PM to and from him discussing it from a thread earlier this year where he had "k3lt01 Vs TobiSGD" in the tag.
I cannot let an innocent Christian soul suffer the blame for that tag. Mea culpa. But I'm not responsible for the tags in the present thread.

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1 Cor 3:15

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Technically, a Jew is someone physically descended from Abraham's grandson Jacob or lissted in the genealogic record of the Jews including converts to Judaism.
Yes, we know what a Jew is. But why the quotation marks? Why "Jews"?
 
Old 06-28-2013, 09:45 AM   #58
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TobiSGD & k3lt01:
I cannot let an innocent Christian soul suffer the blame for that tag. Mea culpa. But I'm not responsible for the tags in the present thread.
bluegospel:
Yes, we know what a Jew is. But why the quotation marks? Why "Jews"?
Good question.

I'd also like to know why bluegospel hasn't responded to post #35 or #36, where I answered his questions. Not that it matters much, but curiosity will prevail.
 
Old 06-28-2013, 10:14 AM   #59
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TobiSGD & k3lt01:

I cannot let an innocent Christian soul suffer the blame for that tag. Mea culpa. But I'm not responsible for the tags in the present thread.

bluegospel:

Yes, we know what a Jew is. But why the quotation marks? Why "Jews"?
Rom 11:11-24
 
Old 06-28-2013, 10:21 AM   #60
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Rom 11:11-24
Inadequate answer. Try without quoting your favourite book.
 
  


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