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The probability of a Jew being as influential as the man Jesus was, being so intimate with a land so despised by the Jews, and the fact that Isaiah predicted it so many years beforehand gives too much credibility to singular authorship.
I suppose it all depends on how you interpret texts like these.
Sure, we all know that it's an accepted "truth" that this bit of text is "supposed to be" a reference to ... Jesus of Nazareth, the Roman political prisoner who was executed, and who is supposed to be 'The' Jewish 'Messiah' (i.e. "the one and only One," which BTW is not the actual Jewish precept, but rather a thoroughly Roman ideal ...)
... but when I sit back and read the actual text, e.g. at "https://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/isa/9?lang=eng", and when I in so doing make no preconceptions about what the author actually meant in the totality of the surrounding text ... I find it to be (as usual) "delightfully ambiguous."
Books of prophecy, as a general class of texts, by-and-large are completely "open to interpretation." And ...
... and that would be true, even if there were some sort of SHA1-based "digital signature" which could tell you somehow that "this is what The Prophet Isaiah actually said," or for that matter, "that The Prophet Isaiah actually said it." None of which is actually the case.
Maybe God meant what He said when He (supposedly) said: "And lean not to your own understanding."
These are heavily-redacted texts, from sources thousands of years old, and they all have "a long and very-interesting provenance" with regards to "how this text wound its way into that book in your hand, the one with the gold-plated pages." Therefore, deal with it, and don't be afraid to do so.
The "immutable foundation" that you might have been taught about in Sunday School ... does not exist. (Deal With It.) However, "the still, small voice" can still be heard in the heart of every man. "... and lean not to yourown understanding ..."
"The wisdom of Man is the foolishness of God." "Be still, and know that I..."
Last edited by sundialsvcs; 06-24-2013 at 02:25 PM.
Yes Tbone, and also verse 5--"answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes."
Exactly....both certainly apply to your 'logic', especially given gems like this:
Originally Posted by bluegospel
...but I think you have either too much "education," or too much disregard for intuition.
To disregard everything around you, any sources of knowledge, history, etc., that happen to disagree with what you think is idiocy in the highest degree. And labeling what you don't agree with as wrong (i.e. saying things like "education", which implies that sundialcvs is NOT educated), also qualifies. Much like saying "if you don't understand it, you shouldn't try to". Next time you see a rocket launch, think about who designed the engines...you don't know how to design a de Laval nozzle, but others (such as myself) DO...that knowledge is there for anyone to discover/use, and to say it's wrong because YOU don't understand/agree with it is absolutely insane.
Again, I'll tell you that such posts like this are nothing but troll/flame threads, and if you truly want to discuss such things, you should go to a religious forum. Why you continue to post drivel like this on a Linux website is a mystery.
Of course Tbone, we should all swim downstream, especially Christians, and avoid challenges to our most savored convictions.
Sorry, when was that said? YOU seem to say there is some point where you SHOULDN'T get any more education...there is nothing more 'swimming downstream' than that. If you want to bury your head in the sand and be ignorant to everything around you, that's fine...but DO NOT berate others for educating themselves.
And your 'savored convictions' are NOT under attack....it is YOU that wants to force them on others, regardless of them asking you NOT to. Again, no one is attacking you, but your bible/religious comments are IN THE WRONG PLACE. This is a TECHNICAL FORUM....other forums exist with different topics. Right topic in the right forum....grow up.
Sorry, when was that said? . . .This is a TECHNICAL FORUM....other forums exist with different topics. Right topic in the right forum....grow up.
When was it said? You folks have been saying it all along. I'm not trying to pick a fight. I like you guys too much to leave you alone. Yet you folks say, "go to church and stay there." Yet you'll answer what I say almost religiously as though these forums were some kind of sacred turf you have to protect. You answer quite confidently here but you're afraid of any forum engaging all views, and will not set foot there. You expect me to have the same fear of "your" forum and forget that this particular section is intended for every topic.