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Old 06-24-2005, 07:35 AM   #1
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Question Single most annoying feature of Linux?


Here's mine - mounting.

If MS can work out how to insert and remove cd's and usb keys without having to ponce around with mounting then surely its not beyond the genii (geniuses?) that develop linux. It drives me round the bend, particularly when you say "mount x" and it says "oh you have to tell me what file system it is". So you say ok "mount -t reiserfs x" and its says "thats the wrong filesystem!" And you shout "OK IF YOUR SO BLOODY CLEVER WHY DID YOU ASK ME IN THE FIRST PLACE? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGH!!!". Its this sort of logical inconsistency that gets right up my nose.

But hey, if thats the worst, its gota be good eh? (I would start a "most annoying windows feature but I don't want to be responsible for crashing the forum server! (Everyone knows the answers "Bill" anyway!!))
 
Old 06-24-2005, 08:01 AM   #2
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Your thread will be moved to General where it can be exposed as it deserves.

The most annoying feature of *nix to me is people who don't read documents.

If you use a 2.6.x kernel (2.6.12.1 comes to mind) and write udev rules, and
use automount, you can have your hardware mounted just as in Windoze.
 
Old 06-24-2005, 08:01 AM   #3
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It is called automount, and I have been using it for years.

Check out this TLDP Howto on the subject.

You might also want to put on your flame retardent blanket here... this thread is bound to get ugly.

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Old 06-24-2005, 08:14 AM   #4
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if you have the entry properly setup in fstab it should work by using that simple mount command, ie: mount x
 
Old 06-24-2005, 08:15 AM   #5
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Once again... I won't bother answering the question. Yet I stay on-topic:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...01#post1640201

Yves.
 
Old 06-24-2005, 08:44 AM   #6
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Nope sorry , I've tried half a dozen distro's so far on half a dozen different PC's and automount just isn't reliable or consistent. Sometimes you plug something in and its doesn't come up. Then you pull it out and put it back in and it does. You then take it out and it still shows as mounted. You then put it back in and try to unmount it and it says "this device is busy" although it doesn't tell you what its busy doing. Then there's -f to force the unmount. I'm root right? If I say force the unmount that what I mean. But nope, sorry the device is busy. Eventually I worked out that -l worked. Why? Why should "lazy" work when "force" didn't?

And I'm not a command-line-o-phobe, I'm a Cisco expert, I'm used to working out cryptic command lines. Almost everything else I've done under Linux I have got my head around the why's and wherefores of they way its done, but the whole mount fiasco just amazes me. I'm all for command line flexibility but at least make the commands make some sort of consistent sense.

You've got me ranting now, and I didn't want to start a flame war! Was just interested in others opinions on the question, after all no-one would claim Linux is perfect. Better yes, but not perfect.

Lets remember everyone is entitled to their opinion, just cos it's different from yours is no need to get upset.

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Old 06-24-2005, 08:49 AM   #7
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PS - I do read documents, and then I expect the subject of the document to do exactly what the document says it does - silly me!
 
Old 06-24-2005, 08:49 AM   #8
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Supermount on Mandrake worked fine for me when I used Mandrake as my main distro. Also Fedora automounts dvd or cd media when inserted into our drive. You can even congigure your cd player program to start when you install an audio cd. So that automounting feature can work fine on Linux just as it does on Windows if you tweak your sysem.
 
Old 06-24-2005, 08:55 AM   #9
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Thats funny cos Fedora was one that I had problems with. Never mind, my annoyance is something I have come to live with and this wasn't meant to be a thread to sort it out (prehaps I'll start one), I just wanted to know what other peoples pet hates were.
 
Old 06-24-2005, 09:09 AM   #10
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The reason why I told you this would become a flame war is because the nature of your post is inflammatory.

On any message board about any topic it is ludacris to think anything will be accomplished by a thread that's sole purpose is to point out flaws or problems.

If you think something is flawed or has a problem, ask about it to see if anyone can help you. Whatever your intention with this thread was, it comes accross as whining and it will invite other whiners. This will in turn draw in the people tired of hearing people whining. A flame war will commence.
 
Old 06-24-2005, 09:30 AM   #11
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Whoa! Sorry guys, I didn't mean to set back your therapy!

The initial post was actually quite light hearted and most definitely wasn't whining -it was just an example of the kind of thing I was asking about. If your going to be so oversensitive about it then I'm sorry I asked.

Free as in freedom obviously goes out of the window when the witch burners suspect you of heresy.
 
Old 06-24-2005, 09:40 AM   #12
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Old 06-24-2005, 09:48 AM   #13
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I have a tendency to say things in a way that comes out differently than what I intended it to. So I guess here I can speak from experience.

Your post did seem a like you where whining. What jtshaw was saying was you could have made the title like, I do not understand the mounting process or is there a good way to auto mount a fs. No offence ment by what I just said.

The way I mount my USB Zip drive is to add it to the /etc/fstab and then set up a desktop icon in KDE. When I want to access it I just click on the icon and it mounts the drive. When I want it unmounted, I right click and then click unmount. The same goes for CD and DVDs too. I do like the way Windows mounts and unmount drives. But there are some things that you have to learn to do differently when you change operating systems.
 
Old 06-24-2005, 10:05 AM   #14
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Quote:
Originally posted by baldy3105
Whoa! Sorry guys, I didn't mean to set back your therapy!

The initial post was actually quite light hearted and most definitely wasn't whining -it was just an example of the kind of thing I was asking about. If your going to be so oversensitive about it then I'm sorry I asked.

Free as in freedom obviously goes out of the window when the witch burners suspect you of heresy.
Quite frankly I don't care about your post one way or the other, I only pointed you at automount in the case I could solve your annoyance... which I probably shouldn't have done as it adds to the problem you will run into with these types of threads.

The reason? You say something is annoying you, people will want to post to show you how to fix your annoyance (because on a help site, what is the point to saying something is wrong if your not looking for an answer anyway?)... somebody eventually posts about another annoyance... people try and respond to his problem too. Then you have the third type of person that gets insulted when you say everything isn't perfect (I myself am an OSS developer... I know for sure a lot of it isn't perfect). Then you have the fourth type, the annoying Moderator that is telling you the thread is a bad idea in the first place (that's me) Next thing you know you have a thread with 200+ replies and nobody can get anything useful out of it. I can link to many examples of this at LQ, but I don't want to risk reviving old, and dead, flame wars.

Anyway... I'll take my leave as to not compound the problem further.

Good day.

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Old 06-24-2005, 10:10 AM   #15
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hey guys the purpose of this thread was for anyone to share what's the thing they find most annoying in linux... i don't think it was ever meant to be a a call for help with the auto-mounting issue... LOL...

anyways, the thing i find most annoying about linux is the hardware and game compatibility... it really sucks not being able to walk into a store and buy whatever hardware or game you like - like the windows people do...

either way, i'm aware that it's not really a linux issue, it's more a MARKET issue...
 
  


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