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Old 03-16-2006, 02:24 PM   #1
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sex offenders in chats


i believe it was 60 minutes or 20/20 that did an episode on this topic. what was scary was all these guys that came to the house to meet underage kids. one guy even brought a happy meal for the "kid". It was great to see the cops arrest them. at one point they even said they had 2 or 3 showing up at the same time.

My wife was very upset and i mentioned how often this happens. i use to program for a few chats and mentioned that it happens alot. I told her to grab my laptop and load it up. After finding a chat(not saying which one) i logged in with the name cutiepie3354. within 3 minutes I had 6 instant messages and 3 of these with explicit content. I replied that i was only 14 and didnt feel comfortable with that language(in 133t kid talk). 1 stoped but the other 2, one was a 19 year old male and the other a 32 year old male continued. they where kind enough to give me their ages with the whole a/s/l thing. I tried getting the attention of 4 moderators to see what actions would be taken and not would would even acknowledge my complaint.

My wife was very upset seeing that within minutes kids are exposed to things like this and reitterated how no kid should have a computer in their room and the parents should be very active in the childrens P.C habits. At times i wonder if there is more I can do. I plan on talking to my state police to see if i can help them. they are actively online trying to prevent these actions.

Has anyone else ever considered finding a way to help detour online predators?
I thought it would be great if somehow the linux community could come together to help protect kids. of course the best protection is the parents!

:moderators, if this discussion is wrong or you feel it shouldnt be discussed, againt TOS please feel free to delete it. i dont wanna rock the boat.

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Old 03-16-2006, 02:59 PM   #2
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I believe the FBI is the best place to report this sort of thing (if you are in the US). Scotland Yard (Metropolitan Police) has a unit for this in the UK. Not sure about other countries.
 
Old 03-16-2006, 08:53 PM   #3
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There are several volunteer organizations that have people who go online and pretend to be kids so these sickos will proposition them. They then make a date with said sicko, who is then met by the police when they show up. Sounds worthwhile to me.
 
Old 03-16-2006, 09:00 PM   #4
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The thing about it is...not that people like this shouldn't be stopped, kids probably shouldn't be allowed in chat rooms that aren't regularly moderated. I'm 17, and make it a point to stay out of chat rooms, because of this kind of stuff. I've never really even been in a chat room, but I'm sure most are like this, from the few times I've been w/ a friend who was.

It also almost seems like a futile effort, because there will always be more people like this. Perhaps where actions should be taken is in education of children, and a push for moderation of chat rooms by the companies that make them available
 
Old 03-16-2006, 09:10 PM   #5
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We need barbaric laws to deal with barbaric offenders.

I think all countries should consider Middle East style justice for certain offences: well, you get the idea... I believe the crime rate in middle eastern countries with such laws are quite low.

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Old 03-16-2006, 09:16 PM   #6
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I beg to differ. Again, not that I'm condoning any of this behavior, but these people are still humans. And thus, need to be treated humanely.
 
Old 03-16-2006, 09:24 PM   #7
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Well, human beings ought to behave like human beings to retain that right. Personally I think that compassion towards hardened criminals of a particular nature is wasted and just not required. They would have had plenty of chances to correct themselves. They're little removed from savages. (I refuse to use the word "animals", because that would be insulting to animals).

Such people when brought to justice deserve the treatment they get.

As a good side effect, such laws would also have a major deterrent effect: these are criminals who understand physical pain much better than mere imprisonment... the fear of physical pain and losing a part of their body is a much better prevention method than appealing to their conscience.

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Old 03-16-2006, 10:11 PM   #8
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"As a good side effect, such laws would also have a major deterrent effect: these are criminals who understand physical pain much better than mere imprisonment... the fear of physical pain and losing a part of their body is a much better prevention method than appealing to their conscience."

"I think all countries should consider Middle East style justice for certain offences: well, you get the idea... I believe the crime rate in middle eastern countries with such laws are quite low."


I'm speechless.
 
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I fail to see how 19 and 32 year old 'perverts'(said sex offenders, as referred to in the first post) are considered 'hardened criminals'. Honestly, noone really even knows if the people online would ever do anything w/ anyone. IANAL, but does the so called 'cyber-sex', or whatever they call it, fall under the category of molestation?
 
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I'm speechless.
How am I expected to respond?

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I fail to see how 19 and 32 year old 'perverts'(said sex offenders, as referred to in the first post) are considered 'hardened criminals'.
I am not saying that the same level of punishment should apply to all offenders. Obviously the maximum punishment should be given to the most hardened criminals and those who cannot claim any extenuating circumstances.

But there are a class of criminals who understand only pain and death and who have absolutely no reason for being criminals except that they are criminals... We cannot pretend that they don't exist and that they aren't a danger to society. Thanks to the internet, these people have a greater freedom to remain anonymous to carry out their despicable activities.

To say that all crime is equal is being ridden in blinkers. Obviously treat criminals as humanely as possible under the circumstances, but we shouldn't imagine that all crimes are created equal.

All I'm saying is that the maximum punishment for certain crimes should be enough of a deterrent to cut down on crime. Obviously the actual punishment should be on a case by case basis and needn't be the maximum punishment prescribed. If this requires a certain harshness for punishments, so be it.
 
Old 03-17-2006, 07:08 AM   #11
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I beg to differ. Again, not that I'm condoning any of this behavior, but these people are still humans. And thus, need to be treated humanely.
Ya reckon? Stone them in the streets I say. You're 17, do you have any little brothers or sisters? Would you be so keen to give these people a break if you came home from school one afternoon and found a 30-something year old guy hassling your little sister?
 
Old 03-17-2006, 08:54 AM   #12
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I do have little siblings. However, even though what they are doing is obviously wrong, I fail to see how corporal punishment will solve anything. Just because these humans are doing something that is obviously wrong doesn't mean they shouldn't be treated as humans.
 
Old 03-17-2006, 10:26 AM   #13
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i agree to a point. the perves mentioned in the forst post might have just left it to online. but for those that take it further there should be more than what they get. ok maybe not stoning in the streets or boiled in oil but some of these sickos get off with having to put their names on a sex offenders registry. and let me tell you, it is an eye opening experience when you put in your zip code and there are 763 registed offenders in your area.

maybe the solution is a fenced community where no kids are aloud and all transmission (internet and phone) are monitored.
 
Old 03-17-2006, 11:52 AM   #14
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Maybe we should just get rid of the internet. Its seems shit like this never really happened before. Now all of a sudden theres sex offenders comming out the woodwork. Are there really this many sick people? Or does the internet bring out the worst in people?
 
Old 03-17-2006, 12:25 PM   #15
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I quit using chat a long time ago - exactly for this reason.

MSN did a right thing when they shut down their chat rooms a long time ago - anyone providing something as open as a chat service should be responsible as to what uses their services are being put to. For example, this forum has moderators. This concept is usually missing in the whole "Chat Room" scenario.

My thoughts : Yes, either the chat rooms be moderated or be shut down.
 
  


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