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Old 01-21-2013, 10:48 PM   #31
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wutt ???
 
Old 01-22-2013, 12:03 AM   #32
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wutt ???
Why bother even asking?
 
Old 01-22-2013, 07:41 AM   #33
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Talking Understanding is without word:

When you understand anything you may need to use the words as a medium if
you want to help other to understand also. But the understanding is by "the
fact" not "by words". If you are a linux expert, with so much of knowledge on
the subject, you know that to help a novice to understand anything by words
is very difficult unless the novice could pick up your showing with examples?
Your understanding is without words. It is because the concepts to be
understood are not words nor their names but the facts of the reality. Calling
names never get the novice to understand anything. The concept the name
represents to be understood that novice does not know yet?

Then you can see that how the God's child-self of our awareness is "perfect
and complete self-knowledge without a word", no language no nationality?
Fair or unfair are not words but the concepts your child-self knew at the first
place? Because It is the God's wish you to be fair? "Being fair" is an English
expression. The concept has many differing expressions of many nationalities
but all means the same thing. Everyone knew we are supposed to be fair?

Everyone should understand own dependency, as the fact of own reality, to
the God's forever present efforts just to existing and functioning as
everything else of this world. Then there, never would be murderous criminally
selfish ones nor head blown out of proportion megalomaniacs. They have been
dying because they failed to recognise the God and the God's best wish the
child-self. They seem to have been calling it "soul" in European world. But
knowing the names and pronouncing the names, the God or soul or whatever,
did not mean they understood the concepts. In decorative costumes they have
been pretending and lying as if they knew what they are calling by the names.
The child-self knew that one should not lie nor pretend to deceive other?
 
Old 01-22-2013, 08:07 AM   #34
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There are many ways to further LQs cause and anyones care and willingness to educate others can only be commended.
You should however be aware that LQ first and foremost is a technically oriented, OS-centric board.
This implies the emphasis should be on helping others with their, mainly technical, questions.
The last time you did that is about one and a half year ago.
I invite you to draw a logical conclusion from that.
 
Old 01-23-2013, 04:07 PM   #35
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When you understand anything you may need to use the words as a medium if
you want to help other to understand also. But the understanding is by "the
fact" not "by words". If you are a linux expert, with so much of knowledge on
the subject, you know that to help a novice to understand anything by words
is very difficult unless the novice could pick up your showing with examples?
Your understanding is without words. It is because the concepts to be
understood are not words nor their names but the facts of the reality. Calling
names never get the novice to understand anything. The concept the name
represents to be understood that novice does not know yet?

Then you can see that how the God's child-self of our awareness is "perfect
and complete self-knowledge without a word", no language no nationality?
Fair or unfair are not words but the concepts your child-self knew at the first
place? Because It is the God's wish you to be fair? "Being fair" is an English
expression. The concept has many differing expressions of many nationalities
but all means the same thing. Everyone knew we are supposed to be fair?

Everyone should understand own dependency, as the fact of own reality, to
the God's forever present efforts just to existing and functioning as
everything else of this world. Then there, never would be murderous criminally
selfish ones nor head blown out of proportion megalomaniacs. They have been
dying because they failed to recognise the God and the God's best wish the
child-self. They seem to have been calling it "soul" in European world. But
knowing the names and pronouncing the names, the God or soul or whatever,
did not mean they understood the concepts. In decorative costumes they have
been pretending and lying as if they knew what they are calling by the names.
The child-self knew that one should not lie nor pretend to deceive other?
God doesn't need to connect dots; the points that the dots represent are
enough for Him. Mathematics teaches us that. In mathematics, anything
beyond a single point is an abstraction. The math of complex systems
shows us that there will always be outlier points outside of that
"normal" abstract, and that those points are just as much a part of that
system as anything along the normal. With any one point, certainty can
be absolute, yet even still, outside of any one point, certainty is
always relative. God doesn't seem to like to deal in lines; that may be
why He created us. We are the ones who need to connect the dots. We are
the ones who percieve and think about lines. That's why, as we've
discovered, our "objective" reality is so tenuous, and in the scope of
the universe, turns out to be relative at best.

You see, God has a lot more in common with a point than a line. A point
is forever the same, and yet it can move. While remaining unchanged, a
point in motion can define, or create, as many different or similar
lines as it chooses. Whilst doing so, even the movement of the point and
the lines that it creates can only be accurately described relative to
the original point itself, which, regardless of its instantateous motion
at any one given time is, in and of itself, completely stateless.
Indeed, the line-creating motion is completely relative, and you could
both say that the point is moving to create the lines or that the lines
are moving around and across the point in order to be created and be
equally correct and incorrect in both statements.

We need to connect dots and see lines because our lives are lines. We
start at one point and move in one direction, and then, one way or
another, we reach the other point at the end of the line. The beauty of
it is that, at any one instant in our travel across our own individual
line, we are a dot. The further we move along the line, the more points
our line intersects. Those points may have seemed like chaotic,
destructive, or incomprehensible things in and of themselves, but the
further we travel, the clearer it becomes that our line needed those
points to be the line that it is, and the relationships between the
individual points across the line become more important than any of
those points in and of themselves.

Perhaps this is why, as we've discussed, it turns out that what we do
now is so much more important than where we have been or even where are
going: only right now, where we are, doing what we are doing, are we a
point. At any one point we are in the image of God, regardless of the
line being traced over the course of our lifes.

Let me tell you about a small part of the future that I believe that I
can see. Keep in mind that I can take absolutely no credit for any part
of this vision; it is composed entirely of things that other far more
intellegent people have created. Like dominos falling, I've watched
these creations come along one after another in my life, setting up and
leading into one another. I am still far from clever enough to be able
to tell you exactly how the next domino will fall, but what I believe
that I now CAN tell you is in what direction in general these dominos
are and have been headed.

I am, let's say, a man from the future. I live fifty years from now, at
a time when many of us, including the "real" me, still hope to be alive,
although we will be very old by then.

Being a man in the future, let me tell you a little bit about the way
that I live. Keep in mind that I am not any different from you in any
real way. Even the technology which I posess is no different from yours.
What I have is just what you have, simply having progressed a bit more
and gotten smaller, faster, and easier to use over the coming fifty
years, just as yours has over the past fifty years.

You walk around with what you call a "smart phone"; an internetworked
computer with a slick interface. You also have something you call a
"personal computer," which is only a slightly more powerful computer,
also internetworked these days, that sits in one place, where you use it
with a somewhat more powerful and somewhat more clunky interface.

I walk around with petaflops of computing power and exobytes of storage
with me at all times, in a package smaller than you could ever imagine
and with an interface so slick, it would blow your mind. More than that,
I am connected to "the Internet" whenever and however I want to be,
effortlessly, and without thinking about it. Everyone is. I communicate,
I "internetwork" with other human beings nearly effortlessly. Everyone
does. Like the tools of language, writing, mathematics, and symbolism
from which they derive, the tools of mechanical computing and
internetworking have become fully-integrated parts of our human culture,
our "way of being," our "way of doing things."

This may sound frightening to you. I'll admit that, for a brief moment,
when I first realized that this was our collective future, I was
frightened as well. However, once the implications of this state of
affairs are fully considered and discussed, the wonder of this new
cultural state begins to take hold.

The first thing that people in the future learn about computers is this:
"What's the best thing about a computer? You can always turn it off." We
all teach our children that a mankind internetworked with computers,
never turning them off is called "the Borg." At the same time, a mankind
internetworked which never turns their computers on is called "the Mob."

In case you were wondering, you and I in the present, from my point of
view in the future, are "the Mob." We've developed lots of fairly clever
technologies and conventions which allow us to be amazingly productive
and socially secure for a mob, but we're a mob nonetheless, and now that
we can internetwork with computers, these institutions are unneeded,
wheather we realize it yet or not. Indeed, they are in fact now
vestigial impediments, and are quickly shrinking and/or disappearing as
we need them less and less. For me, in the future, and for all of my
brothers and sisters, these institutions which seem so indespensible to
you and me in the present are mostly gone, or have morphed into a shape
that we would not easily recognize.

You see, as mankind has advanced, we've had to invent institutions to
protect us from the onset of chaos, as well as many other things that we
fear. Over time, we start to look around at these institutions:
governments, churches, municipalities, clubs, banks, secret societies,
and the like, and they start to seem "evil." As an institution ages, we
increasingly focus on the ways in which it hampers our individuality and
not the ways in which it safeguards it. The evil that we see in any one
institution, however pronounced, is an illusion as much as it is real.
It's not that our institutions decay and become "bad" things. They're
just as "good" as they ever were. In fact, like us, they are neither
good nor evil; they are flawed. Unlike us, however, their creator is
also flawed. As we, the human species, improve and grow and become
smarter and more interconnected, the institutions which we have built up
around us do not grow, but remain the same. These things may appear to
decay and become less useful, but in reality we simply need them less
and less, and our increasing lack of need for them grows more quickly
than our ability to change or abolish them in many cases. After all, the
primary thing which we all fear, as we've discussed, is our fellow man,
and so one thing we build into most of our institutions is the quality
of being difficult to circumvent.
 
Old 01-24-2013, 09:10 AM   #36
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Wink Chicken or egg?

As for the 'point' of this existing world, we may be able to say that everything exists
in this world have its center(point) as origin and frequently formed as sphere every
now. The world exists only as NOW. The God creates this world every Now with the
apparent transitions such as growth, decay or movement. So the answer for "chicken
or egg first?" is "neither". The both come to exist together with everything else of
this world at the same time all at once every NOW.

As of the communication with Internet, or whatever the medium might be, we could
say that only good wish, honesty and truth shall communicate and the propagations
of "look at me!" or the lies of ill intension to deceive do not and shall be perceived.

Ones who have not claimed as their over the God's property and its productivities are
oppressed by those who claims the possession over the God's property that is meant
be for everyone(all). The oppressors know the own wrong and do not like to be
reminded of the wrong. The extreme minority who ignored own child-self fear the
sober intelligence of the massive majority who did not ignore their child-self. That is
main reason why they want institutions that are under their control to protect their
own wrong against the God, the massive majority and their own child-self(their own
eternal life's chance). All the unfairness and unhappiness of this Earth world have
been found on the criminally selfish claims. It is the origin of every evil infest on this
Earth world.

It is just a 'natural progression' of the world of the God's Reality to eliminate the
unfairness and unhappiness the selfish minority has caused, as the God cannot remain
unfair nor unreasonable. Justice is a fundamental quality of this world of existence, the
God as whole. It shall rectify the wrongs that never is the quality of the God. The
resistance of devils would be futile. The everything was foretold on an old Hero story of
forgotten origin that every cultures had with them in different names. The story was of
the God's chosen one who was to be Enlightened by the God to become the Lord god of
this world. Even this fact alone can point out that our Earth generation have a
beginning which had been founded by the older civilised(Lorded) generation who have
built all the ancient monuments with the masteries of all kind of Art to puzzle us? We
are the generation of their children?

What Robert Bauval and Graham Hancock realised about Egyptian pyramids or Angkor
of Cambosia 'the year 10,500 BC' is most likely to signify the beginning of this Earth
generation but not of the founding date of the monuments. It possible is of a few
precessions of the Earth and 12,500 years ago though.

With best wishes to my dear old friend,
---godoten

Ref.) Quest for the Lost Civilisation: by Graham Hancock
Season 1 Episode 1(Heaven's Mirror): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4bWcAqQ6no
Season 1 Episode 2(Forgotten Knowledge): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1pnFqsIku8
Season 1 Episode 3(Ancient Mariners): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyM31tNvNfU

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Old 01-25-2013, 07:33 AM   #37
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Smile Superiors:

Superiors:

One may grab so much of what the God Nature provides for all and occupy
huge patch of land, live in the big house with expensive this or that but it
does not make the one superior but as such as he is. Treat others as if they
are lesser and acting as if he is more important than others cannot make
the one superior but as such as the one is. The possessions of things nor
costumes and decorations nor pretending superiority does not make the
one superior. What is superiority if it was not to care for others in true
and help others to be better state of beings? It is obviously absurd thing
to claim superiority without any factual quality nor the ability to do what
the superior might well do.

Ones who have grabbed so much to selves the wealth the God Nature
provides that is meant for everyone, careless of some cannot have even
the need of their living because it, cannot be considered decent but
criminally selfish ones. Certainly lairs, deceivers or armed killer thieves
should not be treated as superiors but criminals. The generous and kind
massive majority of poor people know that but the richer part of Earth
world is bribed to blind not seem to realise the obvious facts. It seems
to be that they do not want to know and are being proud of own such
selfish and careless primitive state. I hope no one would stay in such
primitive state much longer as it is the time for the Earth world to get
civilised and stop pretending or lying and dying.

Should anyone dislike and argue if someone says "Death is not what the
God expects in giving us life that does not want to die. You are not
supposed be dying." instead of be thankful for the reminder and stop
lying and dying?



The software called "The Government":

If the democracy meant the governing of the government of the people by
the people for the people there would be no need of the theatorical show of
arguments. Because the governing for everyone's good need only the common
sense of anybody. It would be all automated system of statistics for the most
efficient way of equal delivery of the wealth of the nation. The primitive
scheming poly-tics arguments for selfish wants and deeds never can be need
for everyone's good. It is obviously not the democracy.

The intelligence is not for argument of any kind, unless it is of argument
games. The intelligence so that there would not be argument. There cannot
be more primitive thing than the violence to force selfish deed upon others
against the other's lawful wishes and rights. The thieves that lie, deceive
even kill to steal wealth the God Nature provides for all are criminally selfish
ones. It is obvious thing to any unspoiled children and gentle and generous
poor people. But publicly active supposedly grown-ups are bribed blind by the
criminally selfish devils in the prehistoric uncivilised primitive dark age of
the Earth world? (But I like 'Pitman' which is a nice example if you want to
study assembly language. http://www.scene.org/file_dl.php?url...tar/pitman.zip )

Computer wizards should be preparing the software for the automated
goverments suitable for central or any regional government for the better
future and might as well call it "The Government"? The Ultimate Government
for Free Download? But of course, it should be on Linux. Whoever may wish
to do this need to be equipped with the most fundamental understanding
of the Reality which could be yours by reading a few short writings you can
download from: https://sites.google.com/site/godote...edirects=0&d=1

I hope you realised that your body is a belonging of the God Nature not your
property that you can make it for yourself.

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Old 01-28-2013, 08:16 PM   #38
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Smile Dear Warnic(was it not you?),

Dear Warnic(was it not you?),

Why are you using such silly name as "foodown"? Don't be weakling my friend. "*Foofighter"
would be the better name for you. You used be the Robotonic and I was the Sonic like in the
Japanese comic? Now you are telling me that you have technology of 50 years ahead of us
ordinary people? The problem of rich man is you can get everything of the best, even come
with expert instructors? You do not know the fun of finding bits and piece of treasures you
can get with very little pocket money in the junk boxes of bargain floor and making things
using the bits with own hands. Although the bits are oblete devices that is the whole point
as the latest devices are far too small to handle by our hands they are no use for me. I have
got thousands bits of electronics parts in my room. They all are the happy finding at the
bargain priced bits at mail shops. Many of them I don't even know what they are. You may
ask "Then how you know they are treasures"? My answer would be "The bits look very
important for something...I may find out what they are some time. They came with other
things I knew the use of. They did not cost anything anyway "..&(*&*(%$^&%^£?......?
I am at the moment making a Bass-Synthesizer for myself using some of those parts. The
keyboard(musical) was the one I found at a junk mail-shop with chuck away price more than
ten yeas ago. It is well made (Italian) for early computer like "Commodore 16" was to be used
with a very simple interface (the software for it was on a cassette-tape!.). BTW, did you watch
my new video "He Said"?( http://youtu.be/CRYHG21OBqI )The tune I played was with a state of
art software synthesizer. I am going to make my synth to be able to make as good sound as that but I
know it only could be some different kind of low resolution hardware sound, yet as good AS I LIKE.
You know that I would never exchange my place with yours even if you beg for it?

But you should know that you need not fear your fellow man as the massive majority of
poor people are very kind and generous with their respect. Do not fear your fellow man
as they all can be your friends. I told you that "If you make yourself a friend everyone would
be your friend."? That is the truth. You have been deceived and brain washed by crafty baby
sitters and nurses sent by the morally devious dirty devils at law-firms? They are the ones
who should fear their fellow man and woman, not you who were used by the devils as the
shield for their crimes? I told you "you are used as human shield", remember? But do not
get upset nor angry about them as they are already dead things. They are not like you who
is still alive with your child-self as you could find me your friend.

What you may not have realised is that the massive majority of never heard never seen
poor people do not need governing nor rulings of self-congratulating begot fools acting
as if they are superiors while they never were wanted certainly not needed. The begot
never were superiors to people who are at least with their common sense with which
self-ruled and self-governed. That is why they are never heard nor seen as they never go
around making noise of "I think! I don't think!", "I think so I exist!!!???", "I like this.
I don't like that", "I can do this and that!", "Look at Me!","What is the meaning of Life?",
"God does not exist!!!...", "I love you!... Believe Me!"(!!!???) nor "I am so great! Me Me Me!...
I,I,I,I,Me!Me!Me!Me!" to demand attention of others(for what?) like dressed and paused
vege-heads Romans have been doing the senseless shameless show of their nappy rash for how
long(centuries!)? The most certainly people would never attack no one, invade into nowhere
nor kill to steal from no body but the Romans. The Romans have fallen as far as they could
that is the time of the foretold "Sodom & Gomorrah".

How can the killer thieves think themselves superior to anything or anybody is a question
need to be answered? In UK they even want to make incest and child-abuse legal(whatever
they mean by it) by writing on a paper saying so using different names for the sick actions
with pretty stamps and their names on it!!!??? They think they can make Rules and Laws
literally as they like with the method! However, this is a confessing to public what they do?
They are obviously insane? People have to do something about them now they want or not.
You see the same situation in USA? What do they say in going to kill people to steal their
resources? According to them occupy others country to grow opium for themselves out lawed
drug business is "fighting terrorists". Putting puppet governments in others nations with
death threat is spreading Democracy. Killing innocent people to steal is "Justice", lie is
"Truth" because themselves say so? What else is this if it is not total insanity? Simply "killer
thieves = Insane" was supposed to be an obvious equation since the beginning of the time?
However, their time is now coming to the end?

Have a good walk and do some fishing or whatever you love to do. Think only happy things
while you are looking around the beautiful Nature. The beauty of the Nature is such you
don't think nor describe about it but just to look at, listen to and feel it to be happy
with it for you are being within it? You can trust the God. The God never abandon the ones
with good heart who love to live. Don't you think you should rekindle curiosity of your
child-self some how for the enthusiasm of your days? Have a nice hot water bath relax
yourself take a few deep breath, feel the warmth with the body, be happy for it and think
about how you may do that?

*The "Foofighter" is not a rock band but a UFO.

Cheer-up my dear old friend Robotonic!,---godoten

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Old 01-29-2013, 03:31 AM   #39
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Dear Warnic(was it not you?),

Why are you using such silly name as "foodown"? Don't be weakling my friend. "*Foofighter"
would be the better name for you.
Dude, I've never posted to LQ using any name but foodown.

I'll tell you what, though, if this thread were to fully disintegrate into ad hominem attacks revolving around the merits of our usernames, the I do believe that I would have you dead to rights, sir ...

I'm not certain who "Warnic" is, but I do not believe that he/she has even posted to this thread.


Quote:
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You used be the Robotonic and I was the Sonic like in the
Japanese comic? Now you are telling me that you have technology of 50 years ahead of us
ordinary people?
Well, I do believe that the paradigm of what you're talking about was framed as a hypothetical, or, at most, a "vision" in the sense of an idea. I'm not sure that any reasonable reader would walk away from it thinking that I believed myself endowed with anything more than the rest of "us ordinary people."

By contrast, all of your posts to this thread share the common characteristic of being written as if with some unexplained divine mandate.

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The problem of rich man is you can get everything of the best, even come
with expert instructors? You do not know the fun of finding bits and piece of treasures you
can get with very little pocket money in the junk boxes of bargain floor and making things
using the bits with own hands. Although the bits are oblete devices that is the whole point
as the latest devices are far too small to handle by our hands they are no use for me.
I hope that you are in your teens, pretty smart (but not as smart as you might think), and English is a second or third language for you. If this is not the case, then, my friend, I fear that you may be a little bit crazy. (Just a little.) (Or a very interesting troll.)

But, hey, one man's crazy is another man's ... colorful, right? To each his own.

Best of luck to you in all of your future endeavors! I wish you well.
 
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Dear Warnic(was it not you?),

Why are you using such silly name as "foodown"? Don't be weakling my friend. "*Foofighter"
would be the better name for you. You used be the Robotonic and I was the Sonic like in the
Japanese comic?... Have a nice hot water bath relax
yourself take a few deep breath, feel the warmth with the body, be happy for it and think
about how you may do that?

*The "Foofighter" is not a rock band but a UFO.

Cheer-up my dear old friend Robotonic!,---godoten
Worse than "Finnegans Wake".
 
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