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Old 12-17-2012, 02:30 PM   #31
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Would be better to start with: Don't give people easy access to weapons, so that it is much more difficult for the killers to arm themselves.
Ah, but even if your average citizen doesn't have access to guns that doesn't mean that the criminal won't.

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There also have been time and places were it wouldn't have been necessary when guns weren't so easily available.
When? Guns were easily available back in the 1800s, and they were used responsibly. True, there were some shootings, but these were usually rare and far between.
 
Old 12-17-2012, 02:36 PM   #32
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I would prefer to live somewhere I can shoot a trigger happy a$$hole on purpose.
I would prefer to live in a place with as less trigger happy people as possible, so that there is no need to shoot them.
 
Old 12-17-2012, 03:15 PM   #33
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Ah, but even if your average citizen doesn't have access to guns that doesn't mean that the criminal won't.
But it is much more difficult for criminals to get them, instead of walking into the next gun store and just buying them.

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When? Guns were easily available back in the 1800s, and they were used responsibly. True, there were some shootings, but these were usually rare and far between.
This alone is a list of school shootings in the US going back to the 1800's. Doesn't seem that responsible to me. And I would account the fact that shootings happened not as often as they do nowadays to population increase over time. In 1850 the population of the USA was ~23 million people, in 2000 it was ~291 million people, over 12.5 times as big.
And one should account technical limitations, in the 1800's there simply weren't assault riffles or semi-automatic handguns, which make it much easier to injure and kill people.

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Old 12-17-2012, 03:29 PM   #34
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But it is much more difficult for criminals to get them, instead of walking into the next gun store and just buying them.
Just the fact that it is harder for them to buy them doesn't mean that they still won't have them. There is no way around it, the bad guys will have guns, and the good guys won't. You can't disprove this fact.
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This alone is a list of school shootings in the US going back to the 1800's. Doesn't seem that responsible to me. And I would account the fact that shootings happened not as often as they do nowadays to population increase over time. In 1850 the population of the USA was ~23 million people, in 2000 it was ~291 million people, over 12.5 times as big.
And one should account technical limitations, in the 1800's there simply weren't assault riffles or semi-automatic handguns, which make it much easier to injure and kill people.
Once again, this is beside the point. I merely brought it up as a side note and has nothing to do with the main argument. However, gun crime statistics have plumeted since 1993.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/guns.cfm
 
Old 12-17-2012, 03:35 PM   #35
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I would prefer to live in a place with as less trigger happy people as possible, so that there is no need to shoot them.
So the difference between accepting there is evil in the world vs wishing the world was less evil? I'd love a less violent world, I'd also like to have an option when it is violent.
 
Old 12-17-2012, 03:39 PM   #36
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An interesting article:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ings-john-fund
 
Old 12-17-2012, 04:33 PM   #37
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I give up on this, debating with people that simply are putting their own opinions over facts won't work.
I will leave this discussion with some facts, every single one of them should be weigh enough to at least make some people think about their opinion about gun control. I don't think I have to comment them.

- In the last 30 years there were at least 61 mass shootings in the USA.
- Of the 142 guns used in those incidents more than 2/3 were purchased legally.
- 60% of the worst 25 mass shootings worldwide in the last 50 years happened in the USA, a country with about 4% of the world population.
- Although the rate of assault deaths per capita decreased about 50% since its peak in the 1970s, the rate is still much higher than in other western countries.
- Studies that show that more guns lead to more homicide: http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research...ath/index.html
- Even within the USA states with stricter gun control have less gun related violence.

Just think about it.
 
Old 12-17-2012, 05:52 PM   #38
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The state of CT is supposed to have the strictest forms of gun control right now, not like it mattered much. I personally don't have any firearms, those who do its their own business. Since this is the most contentious topic out there save for abortion in this country, there is no solution anytime soon on the horizon. So pretty much the most disturbing question out there right now is, not if there is going to be another mass shooting, but when. Sad, but there it is.

Someone posted that the government has already taken so many rights already, fine whatever you say. The government doesn't have to take away your damn guns, they can always outgun you; you got an assault rifle? Fine, the government has tanks, and aircraft, so good luck then there 'Rambo' - but I digress.


My only wish and hope, is that why can't these suicidal assholes just only blow their own god damn head off, and leave the rest of us out of their own problems, but I guess thats just too much to ask I suppose. Its not like you can rationalize their twisted thought process anymore you can rationalize an irrational number like Pi. Just can't be done.

Obviously now nothing can change what has happened, all we can do is just remember the victims, never speak of the one who pulled the trigger.

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Old 12-17-2012, 09:04 PM   #39
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An article I read today:

http://www.theage.com.au/action/printArticle?id=3897370

Opinion it may be, but I think there is a lot of truth in it.

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Old 12-17-2012, 10:26 PM   #40
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I'll just say this. Where I come from even the police don't carry guns.

The above event would be nearly impossible to happen.

Usa seems like a very sick country.
 
Old 12-18-2012, 11:13 AM   #41
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:25 PM   #42
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Stepping it up a notch, the BBC was reporting today that some gun stores in USA were reporting record sales yesterday, and expecting to break those records again today...
 
Old 12-18-2012, 12:30 PM   #43
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I'll just say this. Where I come from even the police don't carry guns.

The above event would be nearly impossible to happen.

Usa seems like a very sick country.
Media bias is an incredible thing, I would have thought your police would have weapons to fight off the crocodiles... maybe it's possible the media has blown things out of proportion on the guns in the USA also. I didn't hear much about the school attack in China that happened the same day http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/world/...ack/index.html
 
Old 12-18-2012, 12:37 PM   #44
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Stepping it up a notch, the BBC was reporting today that some gun stores in USA were reporting record sales yesterday, and expecting to break those records again today...
Basic supply and demand theory. If it's believed an item is not going to be available (real or imaginary threat) in the future, demand increases.
 
Old 12-18-2012, 01:14 PM   #45
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I'll just say this. Where I come from even the police don't carry guns.
Who's your police force sheriff Andy Taylor and deputy Barney Fife?
 
  


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