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View Poll Results: Regarding quantum physics:
It makes sense and I believe in it. 8 38.10%
It makes sense, but I don't believe in it. 0 0%
It doesn't make sense, but I believe in it. 4 19.05%
It doesn't make sense and I don't believe in it. 3 14.29%
I don't care, but will vote. 6 28.57%
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Old 05-29-2011, 09:50 AM   #16
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Now if you have solid, scientific facts that show that quantum theory isn't valid, please put them forward. You'd probably rank up there with the greatest minds in physics if you can completely invalidate quantum physics. However if you just don't "like" it, that puts you in the same camp with non-scientific cranks like the Creationists.
Then I shall do it ! But, it will take time. I'll do it when I'm done with exams, then I will release it somehow, either published as a book/essay or online.
 
Old 05-29-2011, 10:23 AM   #17
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Then I shall do it ! But, it will take time. I'll do it when I'm done with exams, then I will release it somehow, either published as a book/essay or online.
Well, good luck with that. I'm sure that trying to overthrow quantum physics will take many years, that there are better ways to spend your time, and even in best case you'll only be laughed at, but it is your decision.
 
Old 05-29-2011, 10:39 AM   #18
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Gravity may not be understood well, but at least they don't come up with whacky theories about it.
Quantum mechanics seems "wacky" to you, but general relativity doesn't?
 
Old 05-29-2011, 10:44 AM   #19
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Quantum mechanics seems "wacky" to you, but general relativity doesn't?
Of course it does.

I'll try to disprove what I think is wrong. I don't think I'll be disproving any equations, except maybe one.
 
Old 05-30-2011, 09:57 AM   #20
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LOL. It always makes me laugh when someone logged on to an Internet forum using their computer says they don't believe quantum physics is correct. If it weren't for quantum physics the processor would still be based on valves and only multinational corporations and governments would be able to afford to run them. And they would be less powerful than the aforementioned nay-sayers mobile phone.

No that's not to say that Quantum physics is in any way a complete or exact description of the reality it deals with, but then its a scientific theory, it never claimed to be the ultimate truth, just a useful, verifiable description of the world around is. Which is all any scientific theory claims to be.

Science is not a dogma, or a set of "facts", or a group of "authorities" who's word must be taken as gospel. Science is a process, not a body of laws laid down, not thing or a person, and its findings are always provisional.
 
Old 06-04-2011, 12:01 PM   #21
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Post Quantum mechanics rule 'bent' in classic experiment

"Researchers have bent one of the most basic rules of quantum mechanics, a counterintuitive branch of physics that deals with atomic-scale interactions."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13626587
 
Old 06-04-2011, 12:43 PM   #22
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"Researchers have bent one of the most basic rules of quantum mechanics, a counterintuitive branch of physics that deals with atomic-scale interactions."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13626587
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Quantum mechanics has spawned and continues to fuel spirited debates about the nature of what we can see and measure, and what nature keeps hidden - debates that often straddle the divide between the physical and the philosophical.
Interesting quote, I'd say it is true, except replace philosophical with religious ... which today is almost the same thing.

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"The trouble with quantum mechanics is that while we've learned to calculate the outcomes of all sorts of experiments, we've lost much of our ability to describe what is really happening in any natural language.

"I think that this has really hampered our ability to make progress, to come up with new ideas and see intuitively how new systems ought to behave."
This is also interesting.

As for what I said before about disproving quantum physics ... I've changed my mind. I'll simply write my theories in a book. I have no interest in getting into the tangled insane mess that quantum physics is. However, maybe it may make some people thing about things in a different way, from a different perspective.
 
Old 06-04-2011, 01:21 PM   #23
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seeing as i started out at univ. for Theoretical Physics / Experimental physics

quantum makes perfect sense
So dose string and M theory


but now "uncertainty" is at least a bit less uncertain
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we've lost much of our ability to describe what is really happening in any natural language
and math is not a "natural language" ????

It is the English language that makes NO sense, and i was born here in the usa .
 
Old 06-04-2011, 01:39 PM   #24
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and math is not a "natural language" ????
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiped...tural_language
 
Old 06-05-2011, 10:32 AM   #25
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well quantum physics appears to be complicated because it manifests on a scale that we can't directly relate to or observe with our naked eyes (i.e the world of the very small).
another example that appears to be complicated and incomprehensible at the first glance is the world of the very fast , such as particles traveling at the near speed of light inside the hydron collider or even light itself (among other things).

i digress,

the (quantom) theory itself can be summarized in a very simple statement , that everything exists in finite quantities or quantas (hence the name quantum physics) for instance the smallest electrical charge is the charge of the electron (because obviously electrons are what electricity is made of) therefore any electric charge has to be equal to the electric charge of an electron or a multitude of it , in other words it's impossible to have an electric charge that is 1 and 1/2 of the quanta of the electric charge (i.e electron's charge)

once you understand this very simplistic principle it will become quite surprisingly rather intuitive to think of the world like that.
that said everything in the universe is understood to manifest in finite quantas , not only electricity but also mass , space and even time!
basically every single physical attribute of the universe must have a certain baseline quanta which is the cornerstone of that feature and whose variation must be the multitude of it.

let's examine time for instance , according to many mathematical models that have been formalized since the 20's of the last century and which have been verified by empirical evidence , time appears to be flowing NOT as an infinite stream of events which newton propsed but rather in a strictly defined time constants known as time quantas.

a time quanta (just like the electrical charge of the electron) is the SMALLEST time unit of the universe!
any event that you can think of has to start and finish within a discrete and finite number of time quantas , no fractions are allowed ! (because the universe says so....LOL)

the best analogy is that of a CPU , as you all know cpu's fetch and execute instructions within what's called a time step and so does the universe , however because this time quanta is so damn small we humans don't really notice it , however an electron that is changing energy levels WILL definitely take notice of it (which is why the quantum world acts so bizarre).

and the same applies to space , which is divided into little space quantas that means continues-looking space is actually fragmented into little space boxes , and each and every particle has to sit inside of one those boxes at any given time quanta.

now you gotta put all those quantas together and did i mention that time and space are related?

one last thing to note but quantum physics , is that there is a literal war going on between quantum physics and the general theory of relativity , so far scientists have struggled to combine the 2 into a theory of everything that explains well everything , a candidate of that is what's called string theory and its derivative M Theory which is EVEN more bizarre than quantum physics but i'm not gonna bother with that (frankly i don't have a clue what M Theory really is... LOL)

but suffice to say , is that quantum theory in general ignores gravity while einstein's theory is gravity-centered , the reason why quantum theory gets away with this neglect toward gravity is because gravity is extremely weak in comparison to the other 3 fundamental forces (electro force , strong force , weak force , the forth being gravity). it only shows its power on macroscopic scale and that is the final reason why the quantum world is so strange (i.e because it's a world with very little gravity influence unlike ours)

i hope that clarifies something , btw i'm not a physicist so i don't give any warranties for what i've just said.

cheers

P.S if an eletrcon had a consciousness and managed to explore our macroscopic it's mind would most likely be at sea given the apparent "irregularity" of our world , just because something appears irregular or counter-intuitive doesn't mean it's false.
 
Old 06-05-2011, 11:11 AM   #26
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I think I may just abandon /General for a while…I'm sick of the hard determinist/clockwork universe cruft.

Then again, it's not like I could have chosen otherwise…choice is an illusion after all…

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Old 06-05-2011, 11:38 AM   #27
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I think I may just abandon /General for a while…I'm sick of the hard determinist/clockwork universe cruft.

Then again, it's not like I could have chosen otherwise…choice is an illusion after all…
well the best way to cope with the "sickness" is to just focus on the facts ... it doesn't matter whether it's determinist or otherwise , what matters is whether you understand it or not
 
Old 06-05-2011, 01:20 PM   #28
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Look what you've done now! You've upset MrCode!
 
Old 06-05-2011, 01:38 PM   #29
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then to mix things up with some not to general public facts

these are just "approximations"
Newton's laws ARE true but to a point ,but it is an approximation of "the truth" - what ever that is.
Then Einstein's take over but it is also just an approximation.

Quantum Physics is also just a working approximation of "the truth" - what ever that is.
the same for string theory it works , to a point and not for EVERYTHING


entz nice answer
 
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Yeah, equations are only good within certain boundaries. You can never make an equation that is true for everything, unless of course, it is infinitely long.
 
  


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