Is there any country in the world where you can really own your own car or house and it belongs to you with no ties to the state or government?

Sure, America. Just make sure to buy a house and land where there is no property tax, but even then, well, its still yours to own, government doesn't own it.

And your car, well, that is yours. Its just up to the Government if your fit to drive and or put the proper tags on it. But you can always own it and not drive it....

Sure, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Somalia are examples of totally free countries. But you have to carry a machine gun as proof of ownership.

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But ya know what, If youve got to pay a tax to keep and use property it really dosnt belong to you.

I thought the machine guns in those countries were for keeping the tax man away?

I paid taxes every time I buy goods at a store, so I guess the government owns it right?

Just cause you pay taxes, doesn't mean you don't own it. I pay taxes just to work, so I guess I don't even own the money I make do I...

Well yea, As long as you pay a third party a tax from a deal made between you and a private entity then you dont really own that property and no you dont own the money you make because it belongs to the government you are allowed to use it for commerce but not keep it forever. The government will force you to spend it somehow.

In America, properly paying taxes prove you do own things and helps pay for the infrastructure to fight anyone who belives otherwise.
And so do those who say you don't own something. Not a great system.

BajaNick,

I think you've been read too many bed time stories.. and I can see this thread leading to a flame, etc, so lets keep it on topic. We don't need to turn it into a political debate or anything.

Paying taxes has nothing to do with me not owning anything I used money to buy it with. 2damncommon said it nicely covering the taxes. Taxes are used to keep the government going, to benefit from them. Without taxes, well, wouldn't have any roads even.... I like roads, so I can drive my government owned car down my government owned road...

Texas, Alaska and probably Idaho, all those countries ( ) seem to have less restrictive "taxes" than the rest of the US.

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I can live with taxes, as long as they're fair (which in reality doesn't seem to happen al too often ...). And I certainly don't feel that paying taxes gives away part of my property-owning to the government. Say I get a beer in a bar, I pay taxes on that ... I don't see any president, congress member or whatever come sit next to me and drink whichever the percentage of tax is that I pay on that beer out of my glass ... No, I drink that beer, and I enjoy it very much ... So it was my property and I used it to its fullest myself

America is a great country.

I'm happy that I have the money to pay taxes. I'm glad this country does so much for me.

Oh BajaNick. Don't you see. The car is yours. But who is in charge of, and responcible for the roads that car of yours is riding on? Hmmm. My guess is the government you are paying taxes to ene.
The same goes for pretty much every thing else.
Think broader please. The world is larger then you personal belongings.

p.s.: enough said, okey

If you're living under the authority of a state--any type of state--you won't have absolute authority over your "property." Under a capitalist regime, private property rights exist because the government protects those rights. Guess how the government that can protect those rights is funded? Yep, taxes. The only way to own property without some external authority claiming the authority to tax it or even take it outright (emminent domain) is to live beside the law in some wilderness where government authority is weak; but, even then, that government will make a claim to the legal right to tax your property or govern your behavior.

Better question: Is there any society in which the productive resources are owned by that society at large rather than by individual persons, corporations, and government agencies and, thus, are used by those who need it without paying rent or access fees? The Soviet Union never accomplished this nor has the People's Republic of China, Cuba, or any other communist or socialist state. No, transferring ownership of all property and resources to a central governing authority is not quite the same as communal ownership.

Yeah, so kinda like I said, "Idaho"

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