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Old 10-20-2011, 08:45 AM   #931
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It's incurable. Beyond hope.
Your every post makes me laugh, thanks for being sweet, and thanks for being around.
 
Old 10-20-2011, 08:52 AM   #932
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Old 10-24-2011, 02:28 AM   #933
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This is what I wrote as a clarification for the "irritating" comment shown in post 922.
Not sure if this makes my point clear. Any opinions?
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Robert wrote: What is wrong in a staged picture

Anisha wrote:
Absolutely NOTHING.
In fact when I plan to photograph a scene, first of all I start thinking of 
different ways to get it "staged".

The word "staged" IMO means that the photographer decides the location, position
of the subjects, lightening etc. I do know that these factors are actually important
to get an interesting result.

I would like to state clearly the fact that I am NOT against the "staged" photographs,
I do NOT find them "boring".

I have observed that in most of your photographs your aim is to show the "lifestyle"
of people. IMO, the things which you are "very good" in showing are the "surroundings" 
and the "environment" of the people.
Your photographs tell the stories about how and where people "live".

Now, let me describe what exactly I find a bit boring.

IMO, when in a photograph the main focus is on "people", it is "also" important to show 
their "behviour and character", and I find many of your photographs _lacking_ this 
factor.

Few ways to show the behaviour and the character of the people are described as follows:

1. When you finalize the (sitting/standing) position of the people, you can keep the 
camera on a tripod and set it in a way that it keeps on taking "multiple shots" on its 
own for a continuous period of time.

Now you can stand near the camera and start "talking" to them about any topic.
Ask them if they like getting photographed, what is their daily routine, what do they 
think of you etc.
If you find that they are becoming camera conscious, you can start telling them about 
yourself. Tell them that you are from Germany, the lifestyle is different there but 
still you are enjoying in India and you had eggs for breakfast etc.

My point is, when you and they "talk" about a topic, you'll find the expressions of 
their face "changing". Sometimes they might laugh, sometimes they might frown, their 
hands may move in a way to suggest "something".

The most important point is that "while you talk to them", the camera on the tripod will 
be capturing "all" their expressions. Later on from those many photographs you can 
select some which show those "people's" certain action or certain behaviour.

2. Now if you say that you can't speak Hindi and therefore won't be able to "talk" to 
them, another option is to find out what they do on a particular time. Example:
1. At around 17:00, the members of the family might sit together outside their house for 
a gossip.
2. At around 08:00, the ladies might be sweeping the house outdoors etc.

In these cases, you can keep you camera ready (as I stated above), and without making 
them conscious click several shots. In these cases if they know you are around, they 
might look up accidentally and then you can capture them doing something while looking 
at the camera.

In a nutshell, my point is, that "staging" a photograph is a "must", but the "viewer" 
should _NOT_ be able to make out that the photograph has been staged.

In many of your photographs, I (as viewer) am able to make out that you must have 
"asked" those people to sit in a particular position and stare in the camera. This does 
`not` look natural, IMO, and this is exactly what I find a bit boring because these 
poses can tell me about a person's health, mood, and age ONLY, and _NOT_ about his 
"acts", "way of talking", "routine", "real expressions", "behavior" etc.

Another important thing here is, that you must keep in mind that the people who see your 
pictures are just average "viewers".
The "viewers" who are not present at your place.
The "viewers" who know nothing about India.
The "viewers" who care only about money and have no concerns with the difficulties a photographer faces while making a shot.
Viewers care _only_ about the final outcome.

I wrote my previous post thinking of me as an "average viewer".
I never said shooting this type of scenes is easy, it is very difficult, I know.

Whatever I have written here applies ONLY to those pictures, where the aim is to show 
the people with their surroundings/lifestyles. I have NO complains regarding your 
portrait shots.

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Old 10-24-2011, 03:29 AM   #934
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Quote:
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This is what I wrote as a clarification for the "irritating" comment shown in post 922.
Not sure if this makes my point clear. Any opinions?
Sentence by sentence breakdown:

Code:
Robert wrote: What is wrong in a staged picture
I'd say "what's wrong *with* staged picture(s)". (Yeah, I know it is not your statement, but still...)

Code:
Absolutely NOTHING.
I'd use bold text or *nothing*, since "NOTHING" looks like you yell.

Code:
The word "staged" IMO means that the photographer decides the location, position
of the subjects, lightening etc.
I'd say "controls" instead of "decides", also, you should use "lighting", without extra "e". "lightEning" is entirely different word that describes continuous process.

Code:
 I do know that these factors are actually important
to get an interesting result.
I'd say "I know that those factors are important if you want to get good result".

Code:
I would like to state clearly the fact that I am NOT against the "staged" photographs,
I"d say "I'm certainly *not* against staged photos" or "I certainly do not oppose staged photographs".

Code:
I have observed that in most of your photographs your aim is to show the "lifestyle"
of people.
I'd say "I've noticed that", "In my opinion" or "as far as I know", "in most of your photos you're trying to show lifestyle of people". ("lifestyle of people" sounds kinda clumsy, though, but I'm not sure what's wrong with it).

Code:
 IMO, the things which you are "very good" in showing are the "surroundings" 
and the "environment" of the people.
"IMO, you're very good at"

Code:
Now, let me describe what exactly I find a bit boring.
I'd say "Now, let me describe what I think is boring".

Code:
IMO, when in a photograph the main focus is on "people", it is "also" important to show 
their "behavior and character", and I find many of your photographs _lacking_ this 
factor.
I'd say "IMO, when a photograph is focused on person" or "when you're making portraits" , "it is also important to show their character" ("behavior" kinda doesn't fit)

Code:
1. When you finalize the (sitting/standing) position of the people, you can keep the 
camera on a tripod and set it in a way that it keeps on taking "multiple shots" on its 
own for a continuous period of time.
Very "heavy" sentence. "finalize" sounds like you turned them into stone or something.
I'd say "Once you've chosen pose they should take, you can keep camera on tripod and take multiple shots"
By the way ... as far as I know, professional photographers do not keep their models in same pose for long. Also, I do not think that automatic continuous shooting is a good idea - it'll be a "russian roulette" - some camera models take time to process the photo, there may be memory card transfer rate limit, plus point and click cameras (it is unlikely that the dude uses one of those though) take time to focus on scenery. You could talk to a person while looking at them through camera *or* you could use "wired remote control" to trigger a shot, but I think you definitely should control every single shot manually.

Code:
Now you can stand near the camera and start "talking" to them about any topic.
I'd say "now, stand near camera, and talk to them".

Code:
If you find that they are becoming camera conscious, you can start telling them about 
yourself.
I'd say "If you find that they are still worrying about camera, you can tell them about yourself"

Tell them that you are from Germany, the lifestyle is different there but
still you are enjoying in India and you had eggs for breakfast etc.

Code:
My point is, when you and they "talk" about a topic,
I'd say "My point is, when you talk to them,"

Code:
 you'll find the expressions of their face "changing".
Doesn't sound right. You could say "you'll find that their facial expression changes", but "facial expression" still sounds kinda "heavy".

Code:
their hands may move in a way to suggest "something".
It is called "body language".

Code:
The most important point is that "while you talk to them", the camera on the tripod will 
be capturing "all" their expressions.
Photography - related comment: Most likely it won't. According to Murphy's law it'll miss every single interesting expression because you used automatic continuous shooting and delay between shots was too big. To make sure you capture expression you want, you'll have to control camera yourself - using wired remote control, for example.

Code:
 Later on from those many photographs you can select some which show those "people's" certain action or certain behavior.
Sounds kinda "heavy".
I'd say "Later, you can sort entire batch of photos and select few good photos that bring out character of your subject".

Code:
2. Now if you say that you can't speak Hindi and therefore won't be able to "talk" to 
them, another option is to find out what they do on a particular time. Example:
1. At around 17:00, the members of the family might sit together outside their house for 
a gossip.
2. At around 08:00, the ladies might be sweeping the house outdoors etc.
No complaints about sentences, but I'd simply redirect the dude to some kind of "street photography faq". What you're describing is street photography, and there are few sites dedicated to it.

Code:
In a nutshell, my point is, that "staging" a photograph is a "must", but the "viewer" 
should _NOT_ be able to make out that the photograph has been staged.
I'd say "notice" or "figure out" instead of "make out"; and "is staged" instead of "has been staged".

Code:
In many of your photographs, I (as viewer) am able to make out that you must have 
"asked" those people to sit in a particular position and stare in the camera.
I'd say "I (can) see that you asked those people to sit in particular position and look at the camera". You could also say "it is obvious that you asked".
"Stare" means "to look intensely". Although if photograph was *really* bad you could use that word as well.

Code:
... because these 
poses can tell me about a person's health, mood, and age ONLY, and _NOT_ about his 
"acts", "way of talking", "routine", "real expressions", "behavior" etc.
I'd say something like "... because those photos can tell me only about person's health, mood and age - they tell me nothing about (person's) character." I definitely wouldn't use "acts"(ambiguous) and "way of talking"(does not apply to still photo).

Code:
I wrote my previous post thinking of me as an "average viewer".
Not right. You should say "thinking about myself", but in this case it still won't be right. I'd definitely say "I wrote my previous post as an average viewer, not as a photographer".

Code:
I never said shooting this type of scenes is easy, it is very difficult, I know.
I'd say "this kind of scene".

Code:
Whatever I have written here applies ONLY to those pictures, where the aim is to show 
the people with their surroundings/lifestyles. I have NO complains regarding your 
portrait shots.
I'd say "Everything I said/wrote here" ("whatever" implies that you don't really know what you wrote).

That should be it.

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Old 10-24-2011, 03:57 AM   #935
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Thanks SigTerm for the detailed post, that darn spread system isn't allowing me to click
the scales icon! ;p

In many places you wrote controls instead of decides, kind instead of type, think instead of find?
Something to do with politeness?

By behaviour, I meant e.g some people have a habit of picking their hair while talking.
By character, I meant them being angry/sad/cool etc.
Isn't behaviour suited here?

and I always used to use "whatever" instead of "everything" on LQ. People must be thinking
that I don't know what the hell I am talking about. LOL

Besides the grammatical faults, does the post tell the point?
I am asking this because they haven't responded since 2 days.
Not sure if they are thinking that I am a bore!

Besides, I know it is bad to start bitching behind their backs, but I think those people
are strange. They don't know the "meaning" of an opinion. There are groups of people
who think digital art and photography are *not* the same things, and others try to convince
them that they are!!! Crazy people.
 
Old 10-24-2011, 04:56 AM   #936
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In many places you wrote controls instead of decides, kind instead of type, think instead of find?
Something to do with politeness?
I just wrote sentences I saw/used more often (I saw "kind of" instead of "type of" more often) and picked words that sound more "Right". It may be subjective. If some of them are actually a bad advice, I'm sure somebody will correct me later - as I sad many times, I'm not a native speaker.

Quote:
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By behaviour, I meant e.g some people have a habit of picking their hair while talking.
Well, that's a "habit", "behavior" have a different feel to it - something that can be observed for a long time. I'm sure there was a much better word for that (i.e. things like picking hair while talking), but I can't remember it ("characteristic movement" or something?).

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By character, I meant them being angry/sad/cool etc.
That's "mood". "Character" is different thing - lifetime characteristic of a person. Also "cool" is a frequently used slang word that roughly means "amazing" or "impressive" which could be a character trait but can't be mood. I'd use "cold" or "distant" for "mood".

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and I always used to use "whatever" instead of "everything" on LQ.
Well, AFAIK "whatever" means "anything" and (to me) sounds like "I don't really care what". Also, you can say "whatever" which will mean roughly "I don't care".

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anisha Kaul View Post
Besides the grammatical faults, does the post tell the point?
More or less.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anisha Kaul View Post
I am asking this because they haven't responded since 2 days.
Not sure if they are thinking that I am a bore!
You posted on friday, right? Some people are offline on weekends. This is quite common in europe/usa, I think. Plus they are in different time zone.

Quote:
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Besides, I know it is bad to start bitching behind their backs, but I think those people
are strange. They don't know the "meaning" of an opinion. There are groups of people
who think digital art and photography are *not* the same things, and others try to convince
them that they are!!! Crazy people.
That's their character trait. Their job/hobby doesn't require them to analyze meaning of everything, so misunderstandings are expected. At least some programmers are more used to thinking logically, they frequently analyze things and find definitions(it is their job to convert imprecise instructions into precise logical system by breaking it down into concepts), but many people do not have habits and deal with things emotionally. Of course there will be some small conflicts.
 
Old 10-24-2011, 05:30 AM   #937
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Besides the grammatical faults, does the post tell the point?
A small thing: we usually say "make" instead of "tell".
 
Old 10-25-2011, 04:25 PM   #938
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On a completely separate note, this morning my colleague told me that her daughter is allowed to spell 'wonder' as 'wunder' at school to ease the spelling/pronunciation confusion.

Iz dis wot u cal evolootion in progres?
 
Old 10-25-2011, 04:32 PM   #939
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Mus bi goin bak to thu daze wen evribody spelt fonetikly, bifore standerdized spellin, eh?
 
Old 10-25-2011, 11:46 PM   #940
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Hi again,

I have a couple of small doubts, so I thought I'd better ask

1) I've often seen this way of congratulating people on internet:

Code:
Congratulations on solving your problem.
(Actually, I read this in another thread here, but I've seen it before). My question is, isn't it more correct to say the following?:

Code:
Congratulations for solving your problem.
2) I've also read phrases wth the following structure:

Code:
Please do keep us informed
But, in terms of semantics, what is the difference to just say:

Code:
Please keep us informed
Am I right to think the first form is a more polite and subtle way to express the same? Or in any case, what is the difference, if any, between both structures?

Thanks in advance, folks.

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Old 10-26-2011, 12:14 AM   #941
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I've also read phrases wth the following structure:
Code:
Please do keep us informed
But, in terms of semantics, what is the difference to just say:
Code:
Please keep us informed
The way I interpret the first one is simply as adding a qualifier of positive emphasis, i.e. "Please, do keep us informed", as opposed to, say, "Please, don't keep us informed". It doesn't really change the overall meaning of the phrase, though.
 
Old 10-26-2011, 12:25 AM   #942
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The way I interpret the first one is simply as adding a qualifier of positive emphasis, i.e. "Please, do keep us informed", as opposed to, say, "Please, don't keep us informed". It doesn't really change the overall meaning of the phrase, though.
I get it. I thought that could be the function of "do" in this phrase, but I wasn't completely sure. Thanks for clarifying.
 
Old 10-26-2011, 03:33 AM   #943
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Hi again,

I have a couple of small doubts, so I thought I'd better ask

1) I've often seen this way of congratulating people on internet:

Code:
Congratulations on solving your problem.
(Actually, I read this in another thread here, but I've seen it before). My question is, isn't it more correct to say the following?:

Code:
Congratulations for solving your problem.
2) I've also read phrases wth the following structure:

Code:
Please do keep us informed
But, in terms of semantics, what is the difference to just say:

Code:
Please keep us informed
Am I right to think the first form is a more polite and subtle way to express the same? Or in any case, what is the difference, if any, between both structures?

Thanks in advance, folks.
Congratulations on is correct.
In Please do keep us informed, the do adds emphasis, showing that you genuinely wish to be kept informed.
 
Old 10-26-2011, 08:22 AM   #944
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Congratulations on is correct.
In Please do keep us informed, the do adds emphasis, showing that you genuinely wish to be kept informed.
Ok, thanks for the clarification.
 
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Is there a generic english term for the following item?:
"An unadapted book, written in foreign language (non-english), where a literal english translation is provided for every sentence". It is definitely a "learning aid", but is there some kind of specific name for this?
 
  


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