So you say because the USA has more gun ownership there is expected to be more gun crime? How does that fit in with the statement that gun ownership makes your country more safe? Or do you want to say that there should be stricter gun control?
Nope, what usually is compare are gun crimes divided by the number of people living in the country, crimes per capita. When you look at that number you will see that gun crime is not at all rare, it is actually very high. Just a single number that one should look at: Since the Sandy Hook incident about 200 children were killed by guns in the US, with an average age of about 6 years.

Unless you happen to visit a gun show, where those rules do not apply. Or just buy your gun from a private person.

I guess it boils down to the sensitivity of the individual meaning violence in games and music is no big deal for some.

On behalf on myself, violence in games doesn't bother me because it's fake.

I'm saying if you take a ratio of number of guns or gun owners to the amount of "gun violence" deaths you'll see that even though the US has a high number of guns the ratio is still low.

Lets take you 200 killed example and compare another country where 20 were killed. But when you see the US has 20million guns and the other country has 200,000 our per capita is much lower.

This one is a flat out lie of the current administration. Sellers at gun shows have to adhere to the same rules that they do anywhere else. So a FFL who sells from his store has to do the background check and record in the bound book and the same FFL who goes to a gun show to sell still has to do the same background check and record the sale in the bound book. A private sale at a gun show is still the same as a private sale not at a gun show. There is no difference and no "gun show loophole", the laws and regulations are the same. I'm sure there are illegal transactions made at gun shows and I'm sure there are illegal transactions made outside of gun shows just like there are sometimes stolen property sold at pawn shops or illegal drug deals made. The ATF sends undercover agents to gun shows and try to make illegal purchases so if there were a lot of illegal things going on at gun shows there would be a lot of arrests making the news. Just like with buying and selling cars if you sell too many you need a dealer license so if a private seller sells enough they legally have to apply for an FFL and then do all the work that comes with it. So the amount of private non-FFL sales at gun shows are small numbers because you would need to sell a quantity enough to pay for the booth rental and if you sell too high of a quantity then you have to be an FFL.

True but kids* aren't as smart.

Again, you set gun crimes in relation to gun ownership. This inherently implies that there is a correlation between those two, which further implies that if you reduce the number of guns the number of gun crimes will be lower, since the percentage should stay the same. In other words, you actually are a proponent of strict gun control.

The only problem is that no crime expert measures that way, they all measure crime per capita.

Maybe, but most kids are smart enough to know from real and fake

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The US has roughly twice the rate of gun ownership per capita compared to Switzerland or Finland.

However, its muder rate per capita is 5 times that of Switzerland, and 10 times that of Finland. That pattern is repeated right down the line.

The US has the highest rate of gun related murder in the western world, even adjusted.

Yes but when a program, computer or other gets made (e.g: life\social and evolves as the case may be) it can then do the programing.

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I'm saying the same thing that you are, that there is no direct correlation between high number of guns and gun owners to high crime. That is what certain politicians seem to think or that certain features cause more crime. Its no different than saying >16G Ram causes child porn so we need to limit computers to 16G.

The real issue with violence is not one industry. We are inundated with violence all day long. We get up in the morning and hear the news on the way to work telling us x team won last nights game, Paris Hilton walked her dog, and 6 people were killed. We get to work and co-workers talk about x country killing people in y country. We eat lunch and our friends talk about killing x number of baddies in y game. We get home and hear about more on the news then sit down to watch a movie or play a game with more simulated violence. We become desensitized to it to where hearing your favorite team won a game invokes more emotion than people dying.

No, as far as I can tell you're not saying the same thing as TobiSGD.

Before it was '"gun" crimes', now its just crimes? Moving the goalposts there.

There is a direct correltion between the number of guns in he US and the higher number of 'gun related' crimes compared to the rest of the western world.

If you have any evidece to suggest otherwise, I'd like to see it.

Tell that to Sean Collier's family...

"The US has the highest rate of gun related murder" Discover who is killing who and for what reason and you realize the numbers are skewed. The majority of the US outside big cities is a rather safe place to live. I agree that it is not what it should/could be.

An example of a common county outside a major town. http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Burnet-Texas.html

Nope, that is not what I am saying. What I am saying is that the USA has by far the highest rate of gun crimes per capita of any western country, directly related to the easy availability of guns and cult of gun ownership. I am a proponent of strict gun control, in my eyes only trained professionals (police, military, possibly security guards after getting a permit that is dependent on a training/test) should be allowed to carry a gun.
It doesn't matter at all where in the USA and which people cause gun related murder for the statement that gun related murder in the USA as a whole has the highest rate of all western countries.