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Old 02-28-2011, 08:26 PM   #1861
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I didn't create a root account on my Debian installation. Jealous?
 
Old 03-01-2011, 08:18 AM   #1862
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I didn't create a root account on my Debian installation. Jealous?
Erm.....no,not really.

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Old 03-01-2011, 10:20 AM   #1863
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Oh ok, thanks. I'm not a fan of kde, but I might try to find something like that just to mess with.

So... why you do not like Kde...?

Kde 4.4 is quite stable in Squeeze...

Is snappy like hell, with visual effects enabled... is running over a 5 core processor, and an Nvidia Gforce 9600 GT... system memory used is less than 300Mb...
 
Old 03-01-2011, 12:37 PM   #1864
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Noooo , this is ancient pic... most ancient ship from Imperial Navy existing today is the Mikasa Senkan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Mikasa

Azuma Senkan ( Kotetsu Senkan initially ) was scrapped in the beginning of 20th Century...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_ironclad_Kōtetsu
nice
the front of the ship is so strange actually
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ll-Kotetsu.jpg
 
Old 03-01-2011, 02:14 PM   #1865
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nice
the front of the ship is so strange actually
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ll-Kotetsu.jpg
This was a Ram Battlecruiser...

The concept evolved in a rapidly changing time for naval warfare doctrine...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_ram

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The theory behind the revival of the weapon derived from the fact that, in the period around 1860, armour held superiority over the ship-mounted cannon. It was believed that an armoured warship could not be seriously damaged by the naval artillery in existence at the time, even at close range. In order to achieve a decisive result in a naval engagement, therefore, alternative methods of action were believed to be necessary. As it followed, from the same belief, that a ship armed with a ram could not be seriously damaged by the gunfire of its intended victim, the ram became, for a brief period, the main armament of many battleships. It was observed that the guns placed on the Taureau were there "with the sole function of preparing the way for the ram."[16]
The frequent use of ramming as a tactic in the Battle of Lissa (1866) and, to a lesser extent, at the Battle of Iquique also led to many late nineteenth century naval designers equipping their warships with ram bows. This only really aggravated a number of incidents of ships being sunk by their squadron-mates in accidental collisions as ramming never featured as a viable battle tactic again. The fixation on ramming may also have inhibited the development of gunnery.
When it became clear, towards the end of the nineteenth century, that breech-loading cannon could hit, and hit effectively, enemy ships at several thousand yards range, the ineffectiveness of the ram became clear and ships ceased to be fitted with them.

The radical Confederate steam ram CSS Manassas.
No other ironclad was ever sunk by an enemy ship in time of war by the use of the ram, although the ram was regarded by all major navies for some thirty years as primary battleship armament. A number of ships were, however, rammed in peacetime by ships of their own navy. The most serious in terms of loss of life was the collision between HMS Victoria and HMS Camperdown, which took place in the Mediterranean in 1893. The only battleship over submarine victory in history occurred during World War I, when the battleship HMS Dreadnought rammed and sank a German U-Boat, but Dreadnought's bow was not intended for ramming enemy vessels. Numerous incidents of destroyers ramming and sinking German U-boats which had been earlier forced to the surface by depth charges or gunfire occurred during the Second World War
Other signs that this is a "mutant specimen" are the coexistence of steam power and sail power, the armor made of iron plating over a wooden hull...

This Battleship was built in France, in the late 19th century... remember that this is a pre-Dreadnought design...

Initially, armored water vessels were only river going vessels which were created by the Americans, in their Civil War, France was the first nation to build an Ocean Going armored ship...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ironclad_Gloire
 
Old 03-01-2011, 02:31 PM   #1866
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So... why you do not like Kde...?

Kde 4.4 is quite stable in Squeeze...

Is snappy like hell, with visual effects enabled... is running over a 5 core processor, and an Nvidia Gforce 9600 GT... system memory used is less than 300Mb...
Just my personal preference. I was always a fan of gnome, and I got used to it. I like the theme engine better anyway, it's easier IMO.
 
Old 03-01-2011, 03:06 PM   #1867
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Just for fun...


http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/4021/slackshot54.png

An old shot of my Slack 12.2 installation from a couple years back.
 
Old 03-01-2011, 03:20 PM   #1868
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This was a Ram Battlecruiser...

The concept evolved in a rapidly changing time for naval warfare doctrine...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_ram



Other signs that this is a "mutant specimen" are the coexistence of steam power and sail power, the armor made of iron plating over a wooden hull...

This Battleship was built in France, in the late 19th century... remember that this is a pre-Dreadnought design...

Initially, armored water vessels were only river going vessels which were created by the Americans, in their Civil War, France was the first nation to build an Ocean Going armored ship...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ironclad_Gloire
wow that's nice. So actually this LaGloire ship was the beginning of heavy armoured ships. The design with massive iron plates sheathed over a wooden hull structure sounds pretty interesting. But, with their massive iron and also the wooden hull, that was not giving much troubles/issues? Actually why not replace completely the wood by something stronger, the weight is that important? - Certainly for the speed of the ship. But for instance why they didnt come up with huge fortress, made of strong materials, to avoid any destructions by ramming attacks or either bullet/heavy bombing? It is amazing that LaGloire got so much famous at that time. A ramming system was a good solutions against non effective canon power ... eventually, no? -what do you think?
 
Old 03-01-2011, 03:45 PM   #1869
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I suppose that the prevalence of Iron Plating covering wooden hulls was a result of two factors... : Strategic, and Technological.

As you know, speed and manoeuvrability is a decisive factor in Naval warfare, in the pre-Ironclad era, it allowed the ships of the line, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_the_line to gain the inner side of the curve when turning... allowing them to expose their full side of decks to a more favourable firing angle... since they roll to the inner side of the curve, the outer side rolls up... increasing the firing range of its cannons... those in the outer side of the turn are less capable of firing at great range...

At that time, wind was the main propelling force for tallships.

When steam power came along, motive powe wes not capable of matching windpower of great surface of sails, nonetheless, it was independent of the weather... this caused a shift in Naval Warfare Doctrine...

In order to retain full speed, ships couldn't be very heavy... this is the strategic reason of Iron plating over wooden Hulls... Ironclads and pre-dreadnoughts needed to be able to "Close the T" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossing_the_T on an enemy fleet...

This is how Admiral Togo Heiachiro fscked the Russian Imperial Fleet at Tsushima in nihonkai kaisen, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tsushima, Japanese warships were more modern, had a lesser turning radius, and a greater top speed...


The technological issue is that ships are huge structures, which need to be stiff... at the 19th century, the only known technique for joining metal plates was riveting... and the quality of the riveted joint was not much, and could not match the stiffness requirement of a struture loaded by wavse, and bending moments that they cause...

This is why the wood was used as structural material... it was lighter, and the technology for building stiff ( or better said High Specific stiffness structures ) in wood, was known for hundreds of years, and mature.
 
Old 03-01-2011, 06:33 PM   #1870
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Erm.....no,not really.
I'm jealous.

But seriously, I never ever log in as root, ever. su and maybe the occasional sudo are all I need in life. It was nice when I discovered I didn't have to create a root user during the Debian "expert" install (which wasn't all that expert... netinstalls are so easy these days).
 
Old 03-03-2011, 11:40 AM   #1872
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My newly created old desktop. Just brought it to life after being in trash for long. SOoooo slooooowwwww but it runs Ubuntu and does my work..
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Old 03-03-2011, 12:33 PM   #1873
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Just my personal preference. I was always a fan of gnome, and I got used to it. I like the theme engine better anyway, it's easier IMO.
yes./
all apps are well organized and it's a win
 
Old 03-03-2011, 12:41 PM   #1874
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yes./
all apps are well organized and it's a win
It seems like not many people like gnome nowadays.... Why is that?
 
Old 03-03-2011, 01:15 PM   #1875
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It seems like not many people like gnome nowadays.... Why is that?
Two reasons IMHO...

The intrincacy of the build and dependencies... ( being a Debian and centOS user i always used Gnome before ) In slackware, Gnome was dropped by Pat Volkerding since Slackware 12.X... Slackware 13 shipped with Kde 4.3...

... And if this was the default of a distro like Slackware, i guess this says pretty much of its solidity and stability...

The other reason is Eye-Candy... Kde 4.4 is much more eye-Candy than Gnome... although I have tested Gnome 2.30 in Solaris 11 Express, and it is very solid and responsive...

Besides I think that Gnome is more OSS than Kde... isn't there an issue with the Qt4 Trolltech libraries...?

BRGDS

Alex
 
  


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