Poll: For the record, how many are planning to buy Vista?
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I wouldn't mind using MacOS, but I sure as hell ain't paying Apple all that money. Apple needs to get their act together if they really want to compete, and as much as I hate Microsoft, Apple has worse vendor lock in. At least with Windows you can run it on ANY x86 hw, not with MacOS, which is just bs. I am not paying extra money just for a box that says apple on it, when its really just another x86 system with specs I could really build myself with much less money.
Good point. Not enough people realize that if Apple were in MS's position today, we would all be in a LOT worse shape than we are now. Apple is not only software vendor lockin, it's also hardware vendor lockin.
Now you lost me. I don't know the difference and would like if you could clarify it for me... ^_^.
I was wrong its not MIE7 its WIE7 (that's the real name Windows Internet Explorer 7). The difference is that they don't plan to make it run on any other operating system, compared to IE6. Some crazy guys installed IE6 under solaris at work
Where did you get that from? Here are the official system requirements for Windows XP
If you run WinXP using the classic look (which you should, because the new look is really ugly), it runs pretty much the same way as Win2k does. I mean it. I had WinXP and 2k running in a P2 400 MHZ and the difference in speed was none.
128 megabytes (MB) of RAM or higher recommended (64 MB minimum supported; may limit performance and some features)
Running the default windows 2000 and the default XP with 256MB are two different worlds on my machine in terms of ram usage.
But it's a long time ago so I can't really remember
Don't know if this is the right place to post a little story about upgrading to windows vista so, please, feel free to take the proper action!
Thing is: everybody is talking about this new revolution, the brand new windows system that's going to change everybody's life, blah, blah, blah.
Well, a very good friend and co-worker of mine just received his new DVD (a «natural» upgrade that was sent to him because he bought a new laptop with media center installed). Also because he is a great enthusiast of Microsoft's products and keeps telling jokes on me because I use Linux at home (having a dual boot system with Xp and Debian Etch on an acer aspire 5670 laptop) I found really amusing when he start rumbling about vista and the way it was getting on his way to do any task - it seems that every time he wanted to change some configuration or install some app, dialog boxes keep appearing demanding his administrative rights.
What's amusing is that one of his phrases was "I don't like the new vista, it's getting a lot like Linux".
In my mind, I couldn't stop thinking:
1) many of you, here in the linuxquestions forums, use or have seen already those signatures «Linux: telling Microsoft where to go everyday». Well, it's true alright!
It seems that Microsoft got tired of repairing a lot of security holes and problems that users could get into because of windows ridiculous default settings and they're going after Linux OS: you can only change things if you know how to and/or have the right permissions to do it;
2) it seems that many users will find very difficult to deal with this sort of system: they're very used to to do everything they want, without questions and without beeing confronted with those sometimes obtrusive dialog boxes. So, I think they'll find really difficult to work with the new windows vista OS. Two things might happen: they will call for assistance every single minute or they'll do better by changing to an alternative OS.
One way or the other, it's my idea that Microsoft could have shot their own foot by bringing a so hardware specs demanding (you have to buy the top of the tops laptop or pc) and a so much obtrusive system. If you'll gonna deal with so many dialog boxes and so many obstacles within your daily work, it's better to move to Linux: you'll define the right permissions for every single user and they'll don't have to worry if they can or cannot do some task - with the right permissions, the user should do only what it's supposed to be done by him/her!
In conclusion, I think vista can be revolutionary in the way that will bring probably more users to Linux than any other campaign ;-)
From my point of view, I'm working hard to convince my closer friends and family to switch to Linux - and if I or them ever need windows, there's always the virtualization way of doing things...
PS - Sorry for my poor english, this is not my native language ;-P
I'm sure I will end up with a computer with Vista on it but more because I need to eventually replace my laptop than because I'll buy it from the store.
Yes, that's what probably happen with you and millions of users.
Just to emphasize why it is so difficult sometimes to switch to Linux, here in Portugal, where I live, it's impossible to buy a pc or laptop with Linux pre-installed. At the very most you can be able to buy a computer without any OS pre-installed - so, once again, you're right.
But what it is sad is the fact that many users will end buying a new computer or laptop (which most probably they don't need at all) because they THINK they'll have to change to vista (or they'll just go with the rest of the sheep)!
It's not a matter of replacing because it's old or obsolete - I'll give another example:
a person I know bought 6 months ago a Toshiba M series laptop with great features by that time (1 GB RAM, 80 GB HDD, DVD writer, NVIDIA GeForce 128 MB, etc...). He's one of those guys who has to have the most recent stuff that exists, always looking for gadgets and updates, upgrades, you name it! He just bought a brand new Toshiba (duo core T7200, 2GB RAM, 120 GB HDD...) 5 days ago and has windows vista installed on it since the early hour it was launched! For God sake - is it truly necessary to make such move?
Unfortunately I think that this person is a very strong example of what to expect consumers to behave.
Which reminds me that there's an entire macro-economical and social system that relies on this sort of things! I mean:
- Microsoft releases (or shows intentions of releasing) new products and companies don't consider changing the ways things are: they just breathe and live according to Mr Gate's mood. This is the sad and tragic part of this story! If they were in the bakery business, persons wouldn't expect they produced a new sort of bread - they just move to the bakery next door and consider to buy there
Windows-XP wasn't worth its salt until "Service Pack 2." Those who adopt Windows software too soon, "on the bleeding edge," bleed! I prefer my red corpuscles doing their intended function within the confines of my capillaries, thank you.
And if, as I suspect, all the practical benefits of "Vista" have been tilted toward a DRM format that will be "a high-tech Betamax," well, I'll pass.
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Ouch! At the time of the voting, I'm 1 of the 4 people that is going to get Vista. I am still debating whether to get the Business edition or the Ultimate edition.
I need to get it because I support a heterogeneous environment at my work and need to be familiar with all OS's. It's only a matter of time before our new Dell computers will start to have Vista on them and I need to be prepared! Also, I like the simplicity of Windows. It just works!
i have had little success with linux on my own front, however thats more to do wiht my own impatience than anything else... teach an old dog new tricks type of thing. but as for vista... if i have to force myself into another os with 6 months of zero productivity... ill do it long before i get vista on my machines. ms = teh sux imo. only reason im still on it is i'm to impatient as i said above