vista is everything ... practically everything i'm afraid , its even inside everybody's dreams whether they know it or not ... its the Trend thing ...


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Wtf? A zillion is the longest amount of time I can choose?

Anyway, a lot of people are lieing (or ignorant) here. They ARE going to buy it, just Not in a box. They are going to buy it preinstalled. And for the "but I have a coupon" people, don't be a dipwad... you paid for it when you bought the system.

You're not fooling anyone but yourselves, get over it!

no plans to buy vista...

erm... and... about this buying thing...

Seriously: Isnt it in some strange sense astonishing how hard MS works today to hinder people from using illegal copies of windows as much as possible? I mean, years ago, we had copy protection done by code wheels (remember Monkey Island?) or by this encumbering "Enter seventh word from manual page 8, paragraph 3, line 5 to start" stuff. Windows had its serial.

But: Compared with windows installation nowadays this appears so easy Has anyone ever done windows activation by phone? You have to enter one footlong key at install time and get back another one thats even longer. Call MS, enter that even longer key (via phone!!!). Get back ANOTHER EVEN AGAIN LONGER KEY and type that one back in.

Stuff like that really drives me crazy. I did that for my grandmother. Now imagine a 76 year old lady to do THAT! (Yeah, she's 76 and got herself a nice little sempron about a year ago )

And a few weeks ago a friend of mine had not by desire (but by windowsupdate) installed the MS Genuine Advantage "Tool" and now found herself with a nice little warning from MS every time she booted.

Even though it was quite easy to work that out, I have to say that I guess with her next computer she will definitely pay attention to have a nice Vista bundled with it.

I know a lot of people using legal windows versions (xp mainly) today, but earlier always used serialz that probably >200 other people used too (to put it friendly ).

I think MS is once again setting a negative standard with all that. Imagine what happens if this spreads (which it probably will). But what I find most interesting is that it seems to work.

I do not find this acceptable as a potential (well, not really, in fact, but theoretically, yes ) customer. I have to ASK THEM AFTER I BOUGHT THEIR OS to allow me to use it for more than 4 weeks or so AND if I change hardware? Go away with Windows. And Vista especially.

Just my . Euro cents in fact

I was (and still am) against M$ proposed Trusted computing where only Windows is allowed to run on Intel processors.

I belv this is gonna to be opportunity for AMD(If AMD chooses not to be part of TC) or other processor/chip manufacturer (say how about china) to come up with something refreshing - anything which is done purely for FOSS.

I know MS or other chip vendors are really not gonna to like that.

But again thats me.

Yeah, when Microsoft was a small company barely selling enough software to get by, Windows/386 2.11 cost $99. Now that they're huge and selling tens of millions of copies the software costs $200. That leaves me with only two possible explanations:

1) All my economics professors were wrong about economies of scale.
2) Micorsoft is using monopolistic practices to gouge consumers.

And since the government (state and federal) have essentially allowed Microsoft to buy their way out of antitrust trouble, I also have to choose between believeing either:

1) All my economics professors lied about their being such a thing as a "free" market.
2) Our political and legal systems are completely corrupt.

Take your picks.

Unless I've been lied to, Vista isn't true 64-bit.

Linux should just need a recompiling to be 64-bit. I'm not sure if EVERYTHING in GNU/Linux can just be recompiled to work, or if some stuff might start causing problems.

@Asimba: AMD is part of trusted computing. But that could easily change. AMD is a more reasonable company that's been wronged before, by Intel's anti-competitiveness. I don't think they'd like to do the same to others.

Vista is:
Viruses + Infections + Spyware + Trojans + Adware

Purchasers of boxed copies will get both 32-bit and 64-bit versions. It's unclear how fast OEMs will switch over, however, as Windows is dependent on component manufacturers providing 64-bit binary drivers. But by the end of the year everyone should be on same page, in that regard, I believe.

Oh, and I'm running Fedora Core 64-bit BTW and everything seems to work fine.

All I see here is a opportunity for rebels. With that crap draconian TPM - I belv should heed this wakeup call.

I'd probably buy it at that point... But not before.

Yep, and it's galling to pay for Windows at all. However, if you have cause to, it is perfectly possible to buy an OEM version of the OS at less than half the price (see here). It is expected that it will be supplied with a complete PC system, or a piece of non-peripheral hardware that will form an integral part of a complete system (e.g. a RAM module, floppy drive, even a mouse).

The only downside is that you will be responsible for your own support*.

Rob

well I use Linux and i does every thing for me so no need to buy vista

this is a Linux forum, do you really think that the majority of people here will BUY A MICROSOFT product?

unless i can get my hands on a legitimate vs of Vista Ult. for roughly $150 USD, there is no way i am buying Vista.

I'l by as soon as possible!