Philosophy of Linux and Linux users (return of the 2004 thread)

Originally Posted by reverse I've always considered respect has to be earned. And so far, very few people have managed to earn my respect, as I'm sure I've earned the respect of even fewer.

Well, you've been around here for less than a month yourself and made 25 posts at the time of this writing. Perhaps it is not yet time for you to lecture anyone regarding "earning respect."

Originally Posted by rickh For you, I think it's more important to learn about intelligent answers.

Oh dear rickh, you're determined to make this personal. tut tut Just admit it, you have no qualified example to offer.

Originally Posted by reverse I've always considered respect has to be earned. And so far, very few people have managed to earn my respect, as I'm sure I've earned the respect of even fewer.

Respect isn't a commodity or currency that has to be earned. Who do you think you are that people have to "earn" your respect?

P.S.
I really don't think I can afford to "earn" your respect, but I'm sure I'll manage without it.

Originally Posted by Cogar Well, you've been around here for less than a month yourself and made 25 posts at the time of this writing. Perhaps it is not yet time for you to lecture anyone regarding "earning respect."

I'm afraid that's quite confusing.

#1. I've been here for less than a month. Actually I've been here since 2004, but I won't get into that right now. And why does this account's age matter anyway?

#2. I've made 25 posts at the time of your reply. So what? I wasn't aware that the number of posts is inversely proportional to intelligence/skill-set/experience/etc. Think about someone who comes here today and by tomorrow he has helped 90% of the people who have asked any questions. Say in the process he accumulates 40 posts. In ONE DAY. What does that say about him? I'm sorry, but I'm just not getting your point.

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Perhaps it is not yet time for you to lecture anyone regarding "earning respect."

First of all, you draw a conclusion after a reasoning I have not yet comprehended. Second of all, I'm not lecturing anyone. I've said what I have always considered. I do not urge anyone to do the same. And to top it .. I don't understand the conclusion at all for what it's worth. Perhaps you meant that I have not yet earned anyone's respect. I never said I care do that.

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Respect isn't a commodity or currency that has to be earned. Who do you think you are that people have to "earn" your respect? P.S. I really don't think I can afford to "earn" your respect, but I'm sure I'll manage without it.

Rough words. "Who do you think you are". I am the one who is in total control of my thoughts and feelings. As such I will respect whoever I chose to. And not "everybody" because some random .. person .. dictates it.

People have to EARN my respect in order for me to respect them. If nobody wants to EARN it, FINE. I never said anyone SHOULD EARN it. My socks cost $500. Should anyone want them, they have to pay the price. Why would anyone want them? No idea. But I'm still charging $500 in case someone does.

You don't think you can afford to earn my respect. Why would you want my respect? You don't even know me, and I don't wish to know you. You're sure you'll manage without it. Oh noes.. that was a direct shot in my ego. Whatever shall I do. Some random person on the internet I could not care less about has said some bad things to me because I have expressed an honest opinion. Get over yourself.

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I live in a bad neighborhood but I go to a good school. I have seen "both worlds" and they are both full of idiots, double-faced people, back stabbers, etc. Yes, respect has to be EARNED. At least from my point of view.

Think about this: do you respect all idiots, rapists, etc. out there for the mere reason they are "human" and "alive"? I'd rather show more "humanity" to a dog. At least they don't hurt other people on purpose.

I meant giving a bit of respect to people who ask questions - even dumb ones - on these forums instead of the sneering, elitist response that some respond with. Of course I don't respect rapists or any other criminals. Or back-stabbers, two-faced people, and those who treat other people like dirt.

Well dudes that was a very interesting few pages. It's sparked the same huge variance in attitudes as it did back in 2004.


{BBI}Nexus{BBI}: Yes its a very good example. I wholeheartedly agree.

For the record ladies & gentlemen: the poll choices do make sense. They are geared towards end-users only. If your opinion is not one of them, then don't tick anything. Its more important to see the numbers for each, as appose to a ratio between them.

Rickh: The poll choices are the same as in 2004 for comparison.

Your answers are hardly understandable. Why do you think I will criticize Linux? I know it is not perfect, but neither windoze is. Such polls are so useless. If I didn't like Linux I wouldn't use it.

Because nothing is ever improved without critism. This poll is about first impressions of Linux users, and how they feel about expressing it to gurus.

I do not even understand where this question is coming from and I certainly can't vote in a poll with zero valid options. It makes an implicit assumption about all sorts of things which I can't say I find valid. How could this spawn intelligent discussion and thought?

For you, it obviously hasn't.
If the options are not valid for you, then don't vote in the poll. Although there does need to be one for 'I agree end-users opinions do matter'.


Anyway this thread is still causing people to argue etc. And yeah after noobing for ages I've finally started to grow a guru moustache and get the questions from noobs. But you know what? It's all about how you explain it to people.

Usually you can answer most questions with a one liner about how the architecture for this particular thing is different than in Windows for example. And then point to the specifics. Most people are as not stupid as they appear with regards to computers.

(And before you ask - Working at an ISP helpdesk I am pretty well qualified as an answerer of noob questions.)

For the record I am currently doing the 'showing off Linux' thing at a predominantly Windows orientated ISP. It's doing pretty well. Especially with Ubuntu's hardware detection and the wow-things like Beryl etc. Windows compatibility is showing to be a big issue for most people.