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Old 07-30-2006, 05:12 PM   #1
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"LINUX: The ultimate answer to the MAC vs PC debate." -- Pixellany's signature
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I suppose so, but who would have guessed that the MAC-PC holy war would have ended, or at least become irrelevant, with neither side winning. If I understand correctly, the war ended for all practical purposes when Apple was assimilated by Microsoft, PCs' brutally opportunistic ally. And hadn't it lost some importance even before that, because PowerPCs or whatever they call them were letting Macintoshes run PC software? Too bad. After that, I no longer had a reason to keep my Anti-Macintosh Manifesto, and I deleted it. Should have kept it anyway.
 
Old 07-30-2006, 05:27 PM   #2
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Apple was assimilated by Microsoft,
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PowerPCs or whatever they call them were letting Macintoshes run PC software?
...You talking about certain MS programs being ported to Mac? Whats the problem with that?

I don't think I understand this thread. Are you trying to incite a war between Windows and Macintosh users... On a Linux forum?
 
Old 07-30-2006, 06:22 PM   #3
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Despite apple and microsoft being competive corporations, they are still friendly with each other in that special little corporate entity to corporate entity way. Its not quite as cut throat as some people would think. Microsoft has even been known to commned apple, even. Even polite enough for this birthcard here.
http://www.microsoft.com/mac/birthday.html
They tied up some ends and discovered mutual partnerships that would benifit each other.

I guess that would be what the OP is referring to. Though I would certainly not say apple has been assimilated by microsoft. They are still two very disctinctive products. You can always tell if its an apple product. Even without the apple.
It might seem sell-outish to some, with apple switching over to intel and even offering boot-camp to its costumers, but they're just meeting a demand. Some bussiness users/gamers want to dual-boot to windows for certain tasks. This way consumers don't have to resort to hacks to do it. It fits within the apple pattern of behavior. If theres a hard way to something, they'll eventually take that task apply their design and make it easier.
 
Old 07-30-2006, 10:10 PM   #4
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Someone told me Microsoft bought controlling interest in Apple, and that is what I meant--if what I heard is correct, then Microsoft effectively owns Apple, and the Mac's characteristics and the Apple logo only exist because MS allows them to. That's what I meant. If my information is inaccurate, you can let me know. And there's nothing [I]wrong[I] as such with the PowerPC letting Macs run PC software, but it dilutes the significance of the Mac havings its own OS, and thereby makes the holy war less relevant.

From experience, I would observe that the Mac's alleged ease of use is wasted on people with certain ingrained habits. A few years ago, I went into the college computer center, and since all the PCs were taken, I went over to the conspicuously empty Mac section. I fiddled with one of them for a while, but gave up in befuddlement after thinking, "How in hell do you turn it on??"
 
Old 07-30-2006, 10:18 PM   #5
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Is this where you get your news? ms buys an apple
 
Old 07-30-2006, 10:22 PM   #6
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I don't think I understand this thread. Are you trying to incite a war between Windows and Macintosh users... On a Linux forum?[/QUOTE]
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No, I was only marveling at Microsoft's swooping in and making the war irrelevant before either side could win. So did the advent of PowerPCs--they made the war less relevant by breaking down the barrier between Macs and PCs. The war probably can't be re-incited now, because who cares anymore? PCs are too commonplace to love, and I haven't heard anyone discussing Macs outside of magazines in years. My best friend and I had no idea we were wasting our nerdhood on a war that would come to nothing. I would suppose that when it was going on, Linux users stood above the fray, watching it with sad faces.

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Old 07-30-2006, 10:30 PM   #7
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I'm sorry but WHEN did MS buy apple? Honestly, what is this thread about? Mac ditched power pc and switched to X86. The last time I checked, that benefits Intel, not Microsoft. As a matter of a fact, that hurts MS, because now Mac users will be able to run Windows compatible software (even Windows) on their Macs. This SHOULD lead to an increase in Apple's market share in the desktop market. It definitely shouldn't hurt them, and it definitely doesn't help MS. So what point were you trying to make?
 
Old 07-30-2006, 10:32 PM   #8
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From experience, I would observe that the Mac's alleged ease of use is wasted on people with certain ingrained habits. A few years ago, I went into the college computer center, and since all the PCs were taken, I went over to the conspicuously empty Mac section. I fiddled with one of them for a while, but gave up in befuddlement after thinking, "How in hell do you turn it on??"
Heheh, the Mac sections were always empty (or at least, never more than half full) at my university, too. But usage habits are ingrained into you as well, although you don't notice it.

Take mice, for example. Windows prefers two buttons, Mac a single button, and Unix classically uses three. Or the user interface. Windows puts a menu bar in each window, Mac at the top of the screen, and I prefer to avoid it altogether and use the CLI.

We've all got usage patterns embedded in our memories. It's just that sometimes changing them is easy (most likely the source of the whole "ease of use" thing) and sometimes it's hard. I too found the strange power button thing (I'm not a Apple user) on the G4 towers at school unintuitive. But to someone who pays more attention to Apple than I do, or who has used them for years, it'd be second nature. Many Windows people probably have the same slightly confused feeling about the command-line.
 
Old 07-30-2006, 10:34 PM   #9
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hmmm mac commercial
 
Old 07-31-2006, 03:15 AM   #10
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I'm not sure I was trying to make a point--that's mainly why I posted this in General--but if I had a point, it was probably only to say: damn Microsoft, and several concurrent developments in society and in computing--for spoiling my fun by reducing the War to irrelevancy. And what's your problem?--you didn't have to reply to this thread. If Microsoft doesn't have controlling interest in Apple as I heard it does, than I withdraw my statement. If my post was drivel, which it may well be, Slantoflight and taylor_venable don't appear to be bothered...

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Old 07-31-2006, 04:04 AM   #11
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dont use macosX ...

can try to only use classic macos with *bsd installed instead , but its weird that macos9(or newer ppc ?? i donno ...) needs quality memory ... at least i can use win98 with 32mb memory well enough ...

help to spur the interest/developments of *bsd on ppc ... that would be a blessing for me at least ...



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Old 07-31-2006, 04:20 AM   #12
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I'm not sure I was trying to make a point--that's mainly why I posted this in General--but if I had a point, it was probably only to say: damn Microsoft, and several concurrent developments in society and in computing--for spoiling my fun by reducing the War to irrelevancy. And what's your problem?--you didn't have to reply to this thread. If Microsoft doesn't have controlling interest in Apple as I heard it does, than I withdraw my statement. If my post was drivel, which it may well be, Slantoflight and taylor_venable don't appear to be bothered...
That might have something to do with the fact that most people are really outside this whole Mac vs PC debate.

If you posted this on a mac site, however, there would'nt even be ashes left of you. You would die horrible plasma hot noob death.

Besides the mac more like an appliance than a computer. The "war" wasn't relevant 5 years ago, it was't relevant 10 years ago, it is'nt relevant today. The north vs south(insert continent/country name here), thats a war. THis is a simple matter of aethestics vs. functionality. Is mac technically superior? Sure. And pretty much anything else that is'nt running windows. The problem is that a majority of apples target market, which would be desktop users, does'nt care. All they care about is does it work? Does work good enough for the trivial stupid little tasks? Can I get it cheap?

The people that seem like they would actually care about things like "how does my computer look?" "are the icons crisp and vibrant?" actually don't.

Gamers don't care, they rarely see their desktop. For showing off to friends, maybe.

General usage (internet, word processing, uploading pictures) they don't care.

Servers, Admins They're running headless servers anyway. who cares about the gui? linux/bsd is just as stable cheaper and they don't have to pay for overpriced apple hardware which is basically the same. If they're desperate for some kind of commercial ease of use type of program and their server is'nt headless, they're more likely to flock to windows. still cheaper than macware and more programs too boot.

Video/audio editors do care, because apple platform seems to be more stable on high demanding programs. But theres still fierce competion from Windows and people who claim they can build stable windows machines.

People who think expensive is better, and designers who need stable, but still easy to use workstations. Those are the type of people who use mac. The rest is pure cult and zealots who will defend it to the grave.
 
Old 07-31-2006, 10:05 AM   #13
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but if I had a point, it was probably only to say: damn Microsoft, and several concurrent developments in society and in computing--for spoiling my fun by reducing the War to irrelevancy
Apple made the decision to switch to X86, Microsoft didn't buy them out and force them to switch to "eliminate the war" between them. I replied to this thread because that is horribly false information. And while this is the General section and you don't really need a "point", you still shouldn't post false information like MS bought Apple to eliminate its competition. Just do a little research and get your facts straight before you post a thread like this.

How about later today I'll post a thread and say that Intel bought AMD to eliminate its competition, and then I'll say damn intel for spoling my fun!
 
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[QUOTE=slantoflight]
If you posted this on a mac site, however, there would'nt even be ashes left of you. You would die horrible plasma hot noob death.
Besides the mac more like an appliance than a computer. The "war" wasn't relevant 5 years ago, it was't relevant 10 years ago, it is'nt relevant today. The north vs south(insert continent/country name here), thats a war. THis is a simple matter of aethestics vs. functionality. Is mac technically superior? Sure. And pretty much anything else that is'nt running windows. The problem is that a majority of apples target market, which would be desktop users, does'nt care. All they care about is does it work? Does work good enough for the trivial stupid little tasks? Can I get it cheap?
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They can't cause you to die a horrible plasma hot noob death unless you take the whole issue as seriously as they do--which, if you are there at all, I guess you probably do. I call it the "war" really with full cognizance of the silliness, and even when I was greatly involved in the war, I treated it as a game, really. I bashed Macs mostly because it amused me. I'm not much of a nerd anymore, so once I finished being shocked by their flaming, I would probably just laugh at it. You are correct in saying that the "war" was relevant only for nerds who had nothing better to occupy their time. Anyone can use whatever computer and OS they like. I don't know if Mac users still feel "passionate," but it should be impossible for PC users to, because PCs are now so commonplace that arguing for them is like...oh, arguing in favor of books as a media format, perhaps.
 
  


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