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Old 05-03-2008, 06:10 PM   #1
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Opensuse forum - help get Linux out of jail


I do not know if this is okay to post. You can delete it if not okay.
I have been having some problems with getting some rpms to work with opensuse. I went to their forums, and found this:

http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/in...ic=65770&st=20

They put one of Linux big programmers into jail. Almost all said that he was not guilty. Can't they find "Nina"? Then he can get out of jail and help Linux be better. On chat, there was some people who thought that

1) He is in jail to work on programs at 10 cents per hour.

2) Nina took his money, left, had Ellen help.

3) M$crosoft was behind it.

At first, I did not understand the chat. Then I found the forum page above. Who was he? Was he important to Linux? Does anyone have Nina's picture to post on the internet? If someone finds Nina then he can get out.
 
Old 05-03-2008, 07:02 PM   #2
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I have moved this to General to go with the other discussions of Reiser's case and imprisonment.

To answer your 3 points:
1. if he is being paid 10 cents an hour, that is likely to be the same rate as all other prisoners in that jail or State
2. Nina taking the money - any proof?
3. Microsoft being behind it - again, any proof? They have done any number of illegal acts, but framing a man for murder? That is a conspiracy theory that really doesn't need any thought. If they wanted to do this sort of thing (and why would they?) surely they would have targeted Linus or RMS - think logically about this, please.

ReiserFS is one of many filesystems for Linux, in fact, it's one of the lesser used ones. Hans Reiser being in jail is very sad but does not hurt a volunteer driven community. If the filesystem has worth it will be forked and continued.

Please keep the discussions sensible.
 
Old 05-03-2008, 07:05 PM   #3
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And a note on your title: "Reiser" and "ReiserFS" does not equal "Linux". One is a filesystem which can be used on the other.
 
Old 05-03-2008, 07:20 PM   #4
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Thank you for the comment, XavierP.

I had put the post in Linux-General. I did not know that there was a vanilla general.

I have no theory about it. I do not know who the person is. I was just trying to get some help on some opensuse, and people seem to be talking about him.

"To answer your 3 points:"

Okay, they are not MY points. They are what other people said. Take a look at the many many opensuse forums about it. I put the URL for one of them. They are points that other people made. In chat. In the forums. Not my points. I repeat, I do not know the person. I asked who he was.
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"Who was he? Was he important to Linux?"
"Please keep the discussions sensible."

I at first thought that it was all nonsense too. "At first, I did not understand the chat" Then I started to READ. Then I started to think, what if? Then it seemed like it made a lot of sense. You must know a lot more about Linux then I know. I am just a newbie. This Linux is all new to me.

1) From the forum on opensuse, nearly everybody thinks that he is not guilty.

2) They have not found Nina.

3) If the Linux development that he did is important, why don't people help to find Nina? Post Nina's picture on Linux web. Someone will find Nina.
 
Old 05-03-2008, 07:47 PM   #5
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Thank you for your comment on the title.

"And a note on your title: "Reiser" and "ReiserFS" does not equal "Linux". One is a filesystem which can be used on the other."

I am new to Linux. I do not know anything about it. I try to make titles. So much new to me in Linux.

I just thought like you that they should show proof.

"Nina taking the money - any proof?" Any proof that Nina is dead?

I do not know this person. I still think that if he is innocent, and Nina is alive, that we owe it to Linux to help. Isn't that part of what Linux is about? I am new to Linux.

Why not post Nina's picture on Linux web?
 
Old 05-03-2008, 07:49 PM   #6
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1) From the forum on opensuse, nearly everybody thinks that he is not guilty.

2) They have not found Nina.

3) If the Linux development that he did is important, why don't people help to find Nina? Post Nina's picture on Linux web. Someone will find Nina.
Just because there is no body, that doesn't mean you can't have a murder trial and even a conviction. I am not saying he did it, but people seem to think, 'if there is no body, there is no murder'.

There is/has been many attempts at finding Nina, and even a website dedicated to her disappearance and effort of finding her. Google it.

The work on the filesystem will still continue. It will either be forked, or just renamed now.
 
Old 05-03-2008, 11:13 PM   #7
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Thank you for the comment.

I do not know Reiser. Did any of you know him or Nina? I was just saying that people said he was innocent in the forums and in the chat. I think he said he was innocent too. I do not know about it. I just asked what if? If he is innocent, then I think for his help with Linux then people should help find Nina. If Nina ran away and took the money, someone would see her somewhere. I am newbie to Linux. I read only little about it. They used to use Reiser in Opensuse distribution. If they post high resolution pictures for Nina on the Linux web, someone would find her and he would be freed. That is if he is innocent like they say he is.

What if she is still missing?

Someone who wants to help could put a website with high resolution pictures of her from many different times and on the Linux web. Then someone would find Nina.

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Old 05-03-2008, 11:31 PM   #8
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Unfortunately there are circumstances after Nina's disappearance, and also Reiser's behavior after her disappearance certainly did not put him in good standing with the authorities and jury.

At this point from what I have read, the children are living with Nina's parents in Russia, and the children are in constant contact with Hans, through written correspondence, (source: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=3807336&page=4) and the children always ask about the whereabouts of their mother, therefore it is illogical to think that she merely ran away, because she would in her own way contact her own parents and children in Russia, so ruling out her death is at this point still not an option, so the million dollar question is, if Hans sticks by his story and says he was not responsible for her disappearance/murder, then who is?

I also don't buy the whole 'Nina was part of a Russian mob' or any other kind of illogical thinking, since her family background is clearly stated that not only she, but her parents are or were doctors. So I guess anyone who also dates or marries a Russian means that their girlfriend/wife is connected to the mob? On what grounds!? I happen to have a Chinese girlfriend, does that mean she is part of some Chinese Triad crime group? Come on now people, give me a fucking break!

As much of a loss this is to the OSS community, as far as I'm concerned the bigger loss are to the parents of both sides, and even more to the children. Unfortunately if Reiser does know the truth and decides never to tell, then this mystery will be open to theories, and unfortunately to even loony off the wall conspiracy theories.
 
Old 05-03-2008, 11:35 PM   #9
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Have any of you seriously read all of this users threads/post........?

I think he is screwing with every one.
 
Old 05-03-2008, 11:44 PM   #10
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I have read enough. Someone else in another thread gave out the 'theory' that Nina was involved in some kind of crime-syndicate, but did not elaborate, nor give any evidence to support this theory.

I never went to the Suse forums, so I don't know how many far out loony theories might be flooding that forum, nor do I care to find out, and those users over there are so wrapped up into the survival of the Reiser filesystem, that they forgot that the code is already out there, and whoever decides to keep working on it, will, and probably will be forked and the name 'reiser' will be dropped, and for that reason, I don't give a crap about the 'survival' about the FS, because it will keep on one way or another, period.

Again, I am going to reiterate that those who have lost the most is not NOT the OSS community, but the parents of Hans and Nina, and their grandchildren.

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Old 05-04-2008, 12:24 AM   #11
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Thank you for your comments.

I did not know that this was such a heated topic! I did not want to get people mad at me. I just was asking "What if?"

I am newbie to Linux. I did not know who Hans or Nina or anything about it.

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"Unfortunately there are circumstances after Nina's disappearance, and also Reiser's behavior after her disappearance certainly did not put him in good standing with the authorities and jury."
I read only a little about it. All that I know about it is that it seemed to me like there was reasonable doubt. They are not supposed to be guilty if there is reasonable doubt. That is what they say on the television. She could still be missing. She could have ran away. She could be have went to Russia and met the kids when they went to see "grandma". Ellen could have driven her from the van. The son hugged her goodbye and she drove off. Hans was at home and playing video games with daughter. They say that she just wanted to get citizenship. It is all a "what if".

Some think that the kids were told to say all of that. They went to Russia after Nina disappeared. It is not illogical, if what some people say did happen. The letters that the kids sent could have been made to send it. I agree with you, that it can be difficult for all of the family. I was just thinking of the "What if".


Okay. At the Opensuse forum they could be trying to get filesystem back. Novell said that they are not going to use FS.
 
Old 05-04-2008, 12:29 AM   #12
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Thank you for your comment. Smedley.

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"Have any of you seriously read all of this users threads/post........?

I think he is screwing with every one."
I did not get it. I am just trying to understand Linux better and this forum has been a great help. Lots of people in the forum have helped me to learn more about Linux. This post is exception.

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Old 05-04-2008, 12:37 AM   #13
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I think that it is illogical that the authorities did not conduct a full effort of a missing persons search. They should do that now. I looked on the web and did not find a picture of Nina. I never heard on the news or was shown a picture on a television broadcast of her picture. It should be required to have high resolution pictures of all people who are missing persons and then someone gets put in jail like this. We should not put people in jail who are innocent. Just because a jury said he was guilty does not mean that he is.

Why don't they put high resolution pictures of Nina on the web and ask everyone if they have seen her? I am serious. This should be done for all missing persons. They must have plenty of pictures of Nina. They said that in court they showed some pictures and the judge said to not do that. They should have everyone help. To leave someone in jail who may be innocent is not right. The logical thing to do is to post her pictures, as many as possible in high resolution so that people can find her.
 
Old 05-04-2008, 12:48 AM   #14
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I read only a little about it. All that I know about it is that it seemed to me like there was reasonable doubt. They are not supposed to be guilty if there is reasonable doubt.
But there is just enough evidence to convict. People have been convicted even with some reasonable doubt, and even before a body was found (see the Scott Peterson case).

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She could still be missing. She could have ran away.
Again, if she ran away, why has she NOT contacted her own family members after such time? Enough time has already passed. No parent in their right mind after running away from either an abusive relationship, or a divorce would clearly just suddenly disappear and NOT contact their own family members. Therein is where your theory makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

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They say that she just wanted to get citizenship. It is all a "what if".
If that were the case, and she only married for citizenship, again I point out this question... Why hasn't she contacted her family back in Russia? Her own children ARE in Russia, and are even asking about their mother, not just to their grandparents, but to Hans himself where I posted the link earlier about the children being in contact with Hans by written correspondence.

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Some think that the kids were told to say all of that. They went to Russia after Nina disappeared. It is not illogical, if what some people say did happen.
They think? So that means they have no proof, and what would the children have to gain by being told what to say? It is illogical to say that the children are being coached somehow. Who would benefit from this anyways? Nina's parents? Their daughter is missing, so how do you mean that the children were told what to say in the letter!? Are you saying they really don't miss their mother?

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I did not know that this was such a heated topic! I did not want to get people mad at me. I just was asking "What if?"
To your opening statement. The problem with the whole 'what if' thinking is that you are coming up with all these theories, but are NOT examining them closely for any contradictions, and illogical possibilities. I am not mad at you directly, just mad that you seem to buy into all these groundless theories that came from the Suse forums, or that you came up with yourself that have not truly sat down and thought about.

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Okay. At the Opensuse forum they could be trying to get filesystem back. Novell said that they are not going to use FS.
The source to the filesystem is in the kernel, and if they released the distro with a modified kernel source (modified as in the reiser code removed), then simply download an official kernel from kernel.org which is 2.6.25.1 which STILL DOES have the reiserfs code in it, so you can still use the FS. It was mentioned in a different thread that OpenSuse dropped the FS because of the trial, and was afraid of bad publicity. *Suse is the only distro I know that dropped the FS, I don't know of any other distro, because I just downloaded the latest Slackware release that just came out, and reiserFS is still included.
 
Old 05-04-2008, 05:01 AM   #15
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Jeebiz,

Thank you for your comments. A lot to think about. I had discussion with mom and dad after going to the zoo. Penguins are so cool! I think like television show CSI. http://www.cbs.com/primetime/csi/

I wish that I did not post this because people have been mad about it. Now they are going to be steaming mad.

This is just "What If". I like what if because it is like mystery. It is like Linux, tyring to figure things out. Mom and dad think that I should become lawyer. I want to go to art school. And have penguins for pets.

This is NOT my theory. I have no theory. As I said before. This is what people said on chat, on forum. I read on web. For argument, what if she is alive or missing or hiding. Then there are logical answers to all. It is not illogical.
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"But there is just enough evidence to convict."
It is jury trial. According to web articles, they did not like him. They had circumstantial evidence only. No real evidence. They could have been bribed. They did not tell what the evidence was that the jury asked to see again. The prosecutor and da did not say. I do not know what the evidence was in the trial. The da said that "they have a body", "just don't know where it is". That could have biased the jury. They do NOT have a body according to what I read. That is why jury could have been hung.

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Again, if she ran away, why has she NOT contacted her own family members after such time? Enough time has already passed. No parent in their right mind after running away from either an abusive relationship, or a divorce would clearly just suddenly disappear and NOT contact their own family members. Therein is where your theory makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
1) You are assuming that she has not contacted her family members. You are also assuming that the people in Russia are her family members.
2) You are also assuming that her children have not seen her.
3) It is NOT my theory.

I do not know what she did or did not do. This is just "what if". I think that I am beginning to see what the prosecutor did not answer "What If" questions when the press asked him. He said he learned not to.
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If that were the case, and she only married for citizenship, again I point out this question... Why hasn't she contacted her family back in Russia? Her own children ARE in Russia, and are even asking about their mother, not just to their grandparents, but to Hans himself where I posted the link earlier about the children being in contact with Hans by written correspondence.
This is a what if again. Not my theory. What if the catalog bride or mail order bride thing in Russia was a scam. Take that as your fact for a moment. Then, think this through as a "what if". There are worse "conspiracy theories" than these. In investigation they should have looked at all of this. In what I read it did not seem like they did. Did they test the DNA to verify that they are her mom and dad? Did they make a strong effort to find her as a missing person? They did not post any pictures anywhere. Did they go to Russia to find out about the mail-order bride scam? If you put her picture all over the web, then IF she is there or somewhere, then someone will see her and Hans will be freed. Another what if.

I do not know what Nina's plans were. Why was she in the mail-order bride business? Why was she having a "key club"? Why was she dating online when she was getting divorced? Why haven't they put her pictures everywhere when she was missing and now if she is still missing?

1) She could have only married to make money. She could have also wanted citizenship. She could also have wanted to be a single mom.
2) She has one or two kids to win alimony if he gets rich then she divorces him. If not then she goes to plan b.
3) Her best friend is Ellen. If Ellen is in on the scam, then she can pick her up from the road and they leave her van there with the groceries and she fleas to Russia.
4) Ellen then goes to pick up Nina's kids at school at 2:30. Nina was supposed to pick up kids. Ellen can not get kids till 5 pm.
5) Ellen brings kids to Russia to see Nina. They plan to have kids turn against Han and tell story about seeing him walk down stairwell. It makes no sense that Nina left in her car and that Han was at home with the kids the night that she disappeared.
6) Blood in sleeping bag could be part of plan too. It could be Ellen's blood. It could also be Nina's blood. They only said it was female. It could be menstrual blood. Han said that they went camping. Nina could have had her period and no female things. Blood on stairwell could be one of Han's girlfriends. It could be from sleeping bag being carried up stair, putting hand in menstrual blood and onto stairwell.
7) Ellen could be on insurance policy or in will. They could plan to split the money.
8) Nina could have realized that Han was not getting rich and that the alimony option was out of the question.
9) She gets in fight with Han purposely so that she can get custody of kids and get alimony and house.
10) She could be in Russia again as another mail-order bride. Or some other country.
11) She could have paid the people in Russia to say that they are her parents. That could be part of the scam.
12) The police officer who testified could have been dating her. She was actively looking for dates according to defense lawyer who brought in proof to trial. Hans could have been upset about her dating other men. That does not make him guilty.
13) Hans could be an "SOB". Jury could have hated him. That does not make him guilty.
14) Hans got on people's nerves. Hans made people think. This is what articles said. He even got judge upset. That does not make him guilty·

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They think? So that means they have no proof, and what would the children have to gain by being told what to say? It is illogical to say that the children are being coached somehow. Who would benefit from this anyways? Nina's parents? Their daughter is missing, so how do you mean that the children were told what to say in the letter!? Are you saying they really don't miss their mother?
Not illogical. If they met Nina in Russia then she could talk them into being against Hans. If it is a scam, then they are not her parents. She could explain it if she is alive. I do not know about it. This is "What If". It is logical if you look at it from all angles. You are assuming that she has no seen her kids, and that Ellen was not involved, and that Hans did it. None of that could be true.
 
  


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