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Old 05-17-2010, 02:13 PM   #1
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Only in the USA and LQ!


Hi,

Let me see if i got this right!

If you cross the North Korean border illegally
you get 12 years hard labor.

If you cross the Iranian border illegally
you are detained indefinitely.

If you cross the Afghan border illegally,
you get shot.

If you cross the Saudi Arabian border illegally
you will be jailed.

If you cross the Chinese border illegally
you may never be heard from again.

If you cross the Venezuelan border illegally
you will be branded a spy and your fate will be sealed.

If you cross the Cuban border illegally
you will be thrown into political prison to rot.

If you cross the border into Mexico illegally
you will be thrown into prison.

If you cross the U.S. border illegally
you get;

a job,
a drivers license,
Social Security card,
Welfare,
food stamps,
credit cards,
subsidized rent or a loan to buy a house,
free education,
free health care,
a lobbyist in Washington,
billions of dollars worth of public documents printed in your language,
the right to carry your country's flag while you protest that you don't get enough respect
and, in many instances, you can vote.

Now if I were to go to our southern neighbor via a misdirecton or lost then I would be in big trouble and would face prison because of illegal entry.
So if I wish to protect my land that happens to border the U.S. & Mexico I am considered an aggressor by the Mexican Government.
But I really don't care what MG says nor what the AG says. I have the rights given to me by God & the U.S. Constitution. Therefore I stand with my fellow citizens along with the states that border with Mexico. Especially Arizona! If major cities want to ban their citizens or departments from association with businesses of Arizona that's their right. But that same ban can be applied to them.

Only in the USA!



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Old 05-17-2010, 03:27 PM   #2
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We'll learn why allowing unrestricted access into a country is a bad thing once the spanish news broadcasts that primarily contain revolutionary speech really start to take hold, just as our news does.

Really all the illegal immigrant traffic is going to be used for is a gullible army that will do basically whatever they're told.

That might not work out, but that appears to be the intended use as evidenced by the people who fund and organize them.
 
Old 05-17-2010, 04:02 PM   #3
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Hi,

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We'll learn why allowing unrestricted access into a country is a bad thing once the spanish news broadcasts that primarily contain revolutionary speech really start to take hold, just as our news does.

Really all the illegal immigrant traffic is going to be used for is a gullible army that will do basically whatever they're told.

That might not work out, but that appears to be the intended use as evidenced by the people who fund and organize them.
No revolution but rather a press for immigration reform for them and by their progressive friends. Obama doesn't stand for the U.S. Constitution nor the current Attorney General. The AG has spewed nothing but bad opinion about the Arizona SB1070 and admits after Congressional query that he had not read it yet. Weeks after the SB1070 bill was signed and he was spewing that he felt it was not constitutional without even reading the bill. That's an attorney for you. Who needs them! The U.S. Constitution was not written by Attorneys but by clear thinking men.

 
Old 05-17-2010, 04:50 PM   #4
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The policies and things like that working in the whitehouse are only there to get a large group of people to be for it and a large group of people to be against it.

They use that initial conflict in a racial context to get people actually mad. If they do that, then people might actually be violent.


http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/64385



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Babeu said the violence in Arizona has reached “epidemic proportions” and must be stopped. “In just one patrol area, we’ve had 64 pursuits -- failure to yield for an officer -- in one month,” Babeu said. “That’s out of control.”
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“Folks, your cops, your sheriffs cannot do this alone,” Babeu said. “We’re doing our best and we’re overwhelmed. We’re stressed and things are out of control. We need the help of troops that are deployed along the border, additional resources for our border patrol and a zero tolerance policy.”
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“Let me just say that one of the requirements is absolutely that we need to send 3,000 National Guard troops along the Arizona Mexico border – something that Senator Kyl and I called for well over a year ago,” McCain said.
 
Old 05-17-2010, 05:27 PM   #5
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Hi,

If someone is knocking on my door they had better have a good reason. I live in the country and don't want anyone here unless invited. Posted!

Friends & relatives know my position. Relatives by appointment only! I'm not paranoid but just don't want anyone to come knocking uninvited.

My position on illegal immigrants along with persons that obtain entry by masking their intent (student visa, immigrant workers and such). Our unemployment situation doesn't allow us the luxury of permitting others to take away from legal citizens the right to gainful employment. I'm not an isolationist but feel we as a nation should start looking at where we spend our monies.

I'm a picker! I like to get out and garage sale once in a while. The other day at a sale I found a brass horse weather vane with a beautiful patina. Cheap! Looked for markings and found a China. Set it back down, no value to me. My wife wanted a new Blu-Ray player, everything was China. I then looked at the LG, assembled here but unsure of the electronics, processor is probably U.S. I'm sure the bulk is made in China.

Even if I have to buy something used and rebuild, it will be made in the USA. Look how fast Taiwan and China have grown. It used to be Japan was a problem. Now it's Mexico. We have to birth them, feed them, teach them and they just keep on coming. Screw the politicians, all they want is to keep getting their paycheck and power. They don't care about the legal citizens. Heck their worried about offending a illegal voting block. The Washington Politicians had better start to worry about the U.S of America voter instead of illegal immigrants.

Enough said!
 
Old 05-17-2010, 05:35 PM   #6
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We'll learn why allowing unrestricted access into a country is a bad thing once the spanish news broadcasts that primarily contain revolutionary speech really start to take hold, just as our news does.

Really all the illegal immigrant traffic is going to be used for is a gullible army that will do basically whatever they're told.

That might not work out, but that appears to be the intended use as evidenced by the people who fund and organize them.
If you want to know what happens when bad immigration policies meet bad budget policy look at history of Texas and it's trip from Mexican territory to 28th state.

If I believed in conspiracies I'd say the return trip could be under way.
 
Old 05-17-2010, 06:02 PM   #7
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Hi,

If your implying an invasion then I would add that it's a subversive one by the progressives here in the U.S. by not attending to the problem by enforcing the laws of our nation. The conspiracy is within our nations political machine.
 
Old 05-17-2010, 06:19 PM   #8
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http://neoconopticon.wordpress.com/2...ure-frontiers/
Considering the demonstrated lethality of remote controlled drones in the Afghanistan theatre of operations and the gungho approach of US helicopter crews in Iraq, there is every chance your problem will be blown to pieces.
 
Old 05-17-2010, 06:25 PM   #9
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That just means that the US is much freer than those countries. China, Afghanistan, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, and Venezuela are all dictatorships. The USA is a democracy and should be much kinder to these people, who are only looking for freedom, either financially or physically. Depriving them of that freedom that most Americans have is lowering the US down to the level of a dictatorship, and also the level of the KKK and the National Socialist Movement.
 
Old 05-17-2010, 06:39 PM   #10
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Depriving them of that freedom that most Americans have is lowering the US down to the level of a dictatorship, and also the level of the KKK and the National Socialist Movement.
Only (and even then, marginally) true if they are U.S. citizens. That's the whole point: THEY ARE ILLEGAL ALIENS. They broke US law by entering the country by methods other than legal means. Do we reward legal US citizens who are lawbreakers? Not unless they are celebrities or politicians, but that's another subject. US citizens who are caught breaking the law are punished, so should ILLEGAL aliens.

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Old 05-17-2010, 07:12 PM   #11
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That just means that the US is much freer than those countries. China, Afghanistan, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, and Venezuela are all dictatorships. The USA is a democracy and should be much kinder to these people, who are only looking for freedom, either financially or physically. Depriving them of that freedom that most Americans have is lowering the US down to the level of a dictatorship, and also the level of the KKK and the National Socialist Movement.
The U.S.A. is a republic (government in which the scheme of representation takes place) that has an established democracy (society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the government in person).

There are legal means for someone to enter the U.S. as a immigrant. There's no lowering or comparison to anything of the sort. If the 'KKK' follow the rules & law there's nothing saying they can't speak out. It's the illegal actions that should be look down on and prosecuted.

As for the 'National Socialist Movement' or 'Neo-Nazi' here in the U.S., those guys are nuts that were formed by nuts. But still have the rights of a citizen of the U.S. If their actions are illegal then they too will suffer justifiable prosecution.
 
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Hi,

If your implying an invasion then I would add that it's a subversive one by the progressives here in the U.S. by not attending to the problem by enforcing the laws of our nation. The conspiracy is within our nations political machine.
I dont' do the conspiracy thing. I would agree that those elected tend to pander out of self interest rather than working to actually solve problems. My point with Texas was that if you look, you'll see that the Mexican government actually encouraged/recruited U.S. citizens to come to Texas, and once the poplulation was mostly made up of U.S. citizens rather than Mexican citizens it was only a matter of time until revolt. While there may be a few people today thinking along these lines, I don't think a few people with high/low hopes and a herd of sheep looking for better pasture make a conspiracy, just a scenario where it's likely to we're all gonna step in poop.

It's something to be mindful of anyway.
 
Old 05-17-2010, 08:53 PM   #13
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That just means that the US is much freer than those countries. China, Afghanistan, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, and Venezuela are all dictatorships. The USA is a democracy and should be much kinder to these people, who are only looking for freedom, either financially or physically.
Actually, my parents and I came from Eastern Europe, but unlike the vast majority (Hispanic) that come here, we came legally. Speaking essentially AS an immigrant (now naturalised citizen), my dad came here legally, and went through the proper channels. Unfortunately I do not have much sympathy for almost all Hispanics since either they only come here to make a buck, but do not bother to TRY to come here through the proper channels, and integrate. Again, speaking as an immigrant, my parents made the attempt to learn the English language, most Hispanics seem to think that they are entitled to be here, and we should learn THEIR language. In that case, everyone here is required to learn Romanian, and screw you, either speak Romanian with me, or piss off. Yea, I can tell you don't really like that do you? Of course not.

So I do actually agree with Onebuck on this one. Plus, it is illegal immigration that kinda tends to ruin it for those WHO ARE trying to go through proper channels.

As for Afghan refugees, they mostly travel west to Europe (mostly to France) so they can immigrate to England, very few if any Afghans come to the states. I don't know the statics for Iran, do you? North Korean refugees for the most part try to make their way to South Korea.

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Old 05-17-2010, 09:20 PM   #14
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Ok I will only say this once since I live in Arizona.

1. If you don't live here and you don't like our laws you do not have the right to say we are doing the wrong thing. You do not live here and do not understand fully the problem with illegal immigration and the host of problems that it brings our state and the rest of the nation. Again if you don't live here you do not have the right to tell us what to do, each state is self governed for a reason.

2. We are our own state we don't have to care if Delaware, California, or any other state or nation likes our policies.

3. Most arizonans do sympathize with the people who are coming here looking for a better job or better level of life. The problem is we have no way of telling who is a convinced felon of Mexico and who is not. Many border patrol people have been killed in the line of duty due to Mexican mafia members who murder people here and flee across the border. There has also been numerous problems with Americans being kidnapped by illegals and never being heard from again. Many crime organizations in Mexico are on the border for the very reason they can pay off the police in there country and have easy access to commit crimes here in the US and flee when trouble occurs.

4. These laws are in response to a federal government that has continuously proved ineffective in dealing with this problem. One of the main issues is that most of the lawmakers in Washington do not live in states that border Mexico and thus have no idea of the level of problems that occur from it. The people of California, Texas, and Arizona have tried for YEARS to get something done and all we ever get out of the fed is were working on the problem and yet another year goes by with nothing done. I am proud our state has the incentive to say no more and stand up for it self. I am disheartening that it has come to this and most Arizonans are mixed on the issue but everyone and I mean everyone even Hispanics in Arizona agree that the problems with illegals needs solving.
 
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according to the indigenous peoples you are all illegal aliens. nobody asked their permission to take over their lands and shunt them off to reservations.
 
  


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