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Old 04-17-2006, 03:08 AM   #1
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net neutrality


At&t in the US is currently lobying against long standing network neutrality practices. A bill to strengthen net neutrality was defeated.
in the US laws are a pay to play kind of thing.
come up with enough money and write the regulations for your industry.
we saw what media consolidation has done (read a village voice lately ?)
all media outlets have done away with fact checkers and news has become 2 things
either diversion or out and out lies to manipulate buying habits.

so net neutrality will disapear and we will be left with only one broadband ISP that feeds content pay for play and sensors out things unfavorable to the corporatocracy.

free speech origins of BSD and the net itself are over very soon.

it is possible they could use this to distroy Linux or anything else we do online. We will only find out exactly what they are up to after they have done it.
 
Old 04-17-2006, 07:40 AM   #2
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Old 04-17-2006, 07:43 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by foo_bar_foo
At&t in the US is currently lobying against long standing network neutrality practices. A bill to strengthen net neutrality was defeated.
in the US laws are a pay to play kind of thing.
come up with enough money and write the regulations for your industry.
we saw what media consolidation has done (read a village voice lately ?)
all media outlets have done away with fact checkers and news has become 2 things
either diversion or out and out lies to manipulate buying habits.

so net neutrality will disapear and we will be left with only one broadband ISP that feeds content pay for play and sensors out things unfavorable to the corporatocracy.

free speech origins of BSD and the net itself are over very soon.

it is possible they could use this to distroy Linux or anything else we do online. We will only find out exactly what they are up to after they have done it.
Without sources this is just a scare story. You lambast the media for not fact checking (although I agree that largely all they do is to print press releases) and then don't provide sources.

This looks as if it was copy/pasted from a chat log.

Shame on you, Foo Bar Foo
 
Old 04-17-2006, 07:51 AM   #4
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The media doesn't fact check their stories?!
Seriously... If you trust the media to give you the whole truth you are being seriously nieve and stupid. It's the media, it lies and it always has. It's the media's nature to get viewers.
Yes, this is a scare story. Let's be practical here foo, what's so interesting to At&t about Linux and BSD?
 
Old 04-17-2006, 04:20 PM   #5
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Without sources this is just a scare story. You lambast the media for not fact checking (although I agree that largely all they do is to print press releases) and then don't provide sources.

This looks as if it was copy/pasted from a chat log.

Shame on you, Foo Bar Foo
so i'm suposed to provide sources ? says who ?
you too stupid to use google and involve yourself in the discussion it's not my problem.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ty&btnG=Search
 
Old 04-17-2006, 05:02 PM   #6
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as hard as it is to believe people here seem ignorant about the origins of the internet and the role BSD payed in it as well as the roots in the free speech movement in Berkley so i give another reference.
This is the origins of Linux folks even if you didn't know it.

http://archive.salon.com/tech/fsp/20...one/index.html

if in fact the internet becomes private property instead of public as proposed.
the fact that at&t has no interest in Linux is EXACTLY the interesting point.
no inerest no access.

appearently no one here cares ?

thats what you are saying.

what the heck is a chat log anyway ?
i guess i've got one in my head.
heaven forbid something that seems like a chat log is on a discussion forum.

i personally thing it would be cool if someone else in the world cares about free speech and the internet enough to chat about it.
based on the responses here i rather think this discussion is above the heads of both chat logs and web forums particioants.

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Old 04-17-2006, 05:34 PM   #7
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so i'm suposed to provide sources ? says who ?
Says me. If you really want me to be interested in your words, provide me with some sources. Looking at what you wrote, it appears to affect the US. Tell me why I should care, especially since I don't live in the US. Engage with your audience. Don't just say "statement - now go dig up the news".
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you too stupid to use google and involve yourself in the discussion it's not my problem.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...ty&btnG=Search
Look at what it says under my user name. Have a little respect.
 
Old 04-17-2006, 05:38 PM   #8
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so i'm suposed to provide sources ? says who ?
Nobody is going to persecute you without them, however if you want to have an actual debate here sources are generally requested to make sure you haven't completely made something up. Common sense.
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you too stupid to use google and involve yourself in the discussion it's not my problem.
With your attitude lately you are going to turn people on this forum against you.
 
Old 04-17-2006, 05:50 PM   #9
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As the owner of a little non-commercial website, this does concern me.
It's not just for my site, though, the very idea of different tracks for different sites is abhorrent on principle.
The phone companies (and cable, and anyone else providing internet service) need to get over the idea that "google uses our pipes for free". It's not google using your pipes, it's me, and I pay every month for the privilege. I have no interest in getting the content I don't want (think they'll have an "enhanced access" to our email boxes for those companies that pay?) faster than the content I'm actually looking for.
 
Old 04-17-2006, 06:38 PM   #10
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With your attitude lately you are going to turn people on this forum against you.
could we discuss net neutrality or if not just leave the childish crap at home ?

you peole have confused me with someone who give a crap otherwise.

i did in fact leave elementary school behind a bit ago and wish to leave it that way.

as another reference this is an example from Tim Berners-Lee the founder of the www consortium and the original author of the first hpptd.
(no i will not provide references) WTF
after all hes just a nut case cospiracy theorist who cuts and pastes kiddie chat logs.
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He gives the examples of a shoe store.

"The place you buy your shoes has been decided by the search engine, and the search engine was been decided by the browser, which has been decided by the operating system, which has been decided by the computer," he said. "If those things are kept independent, it's working. But if a company gets into a very strong position of having a vertical supply through the market, and has all these things tied up together, then your choice of shoes is dictated by your choice of computer."
now it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how this effects the free software movement.
and all of our general enjoyment of computers and hacking apart from the pitiful level of intelect or lack thereof here at LQ
 
Old 04-17-2006, 06:46 PM   #11
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As the owner of a little non-commercial website, this does concern me.
It's not just for my site, though, the very idea of different tracks for different sites is abhorrent on principle.
The phone companies (and cable, and anyone else providing internet service) need to get over the idea that "google uses our pipes for free". It's not google using your pipes, it's me, and I pay every month for the privilege. I have no interest in getting the content I don't want (think they'll have an "enhanced access" to our email boxes for those companies that pay?) faster than the content I'm actually looking for.
yes it is basically the end of the internet as free space the way it was designed. after the content you are actualy looking for is slower how long before its totally unavailable.
these companies after all are the same companies who have allowed the NSA access to their hubs for vaccume attachments.
what do they do when the government comes along and asks for instance for pacifica radio to "not be available" ? what will it all be 100 years from now.
 
Old 04-17-2006, 06:52 PM   #12
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If you really want me to be interested in your words,
i really have no interest in your interests.

this web site holding this discussion is registered in Bufalo NY USA

did i fall into some black hole here or what ?

just as my place is to not manipulate your interests your place is to not lecture me about childish trivial matters.
 
Old 04-17-2006, 07:06 PM   #13
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As charming as you are informative.
 
Old 04-17-2006, 07:07 PM   #14
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Funny, I coulda sworn that Linux started with Linus, not BSD.

Yeah, corporate greed ha always been with us and probably always will be.
 
Old 04-18-2006, 12:18 AM   #15
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Funny, I coulda sworn that Linux started with Linus, not BSD.

Yeah, corporate greed ha always been with us and probably always will be.
the beast of imaculate conception born out of nowhere evolved from nothing.
that linux is a myth just like its easter sunday couterpart.
corporations evolved from ancient rome and have not always been with us
US corporations didn't become what they are until 1888 or so
this is an actual cut/paste from a chat log
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i've been told i taste like blue

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