Mr. Bates vs The Post Office
In one of the most shameful scandals in the history of Information
Technology, the British Post Office deployed a bug-ridden system called "Horizon" for the use of its sub-postmasters (post office branch managers) to report their accounts. Then, when it started producing completely false results, often with discrepancies amounting to thousands of pounds, and those sub-postmasters tried complaining and seeking corrections, it insisted there were no such flaws in the system, telling each one of those complaining that there had been no other complaints, and demanded those branch managers, as per their contracts, must make up the discrepancies out of their own pockets. This miserable saga continued from 1999 to 2015. Over this time, many of those sub-postmasters were driven to ruin. Some were prosecuted and jailed, their stories simply disbelieved. Some even committed suicide. ITV broadcast a four-part docudrama https://www.imdb.com/title/tt27867155/ about the scandal back in January, and it has just made its way to us in NZ. If it comes to your town or country, it's worth a watch. The Register has done a number of articles as the story has come to light, as far back as 2019 https://www.theregister.com/2019/03/...tial_judgment/ , right up to this year https://www.theregister.com/2024/01/...nquiry_latest/ , https://www.theregister.com/2024/02/...rizon_inquiry/ From: <news:uudm8e$2b767$1@dont-email.me>, <news:comp.misc:25000> |
I live in the UK with a tiny post office in our village shop. Our sub-postmaster has been a valued member of our community for 20 years or more and used Horizon when all the problems were occuring. I asked her if the Horizon system was still in operation, and she shifted in her seat and pointed to a computer and said, "Yes, there it is."
A computer magazine called 'Computer Weekly' https://www.computerweekly.com/featu...u-need-to-knowfirst picked up the scandal in about 2009 and a publication called Private Eye ran stories on it. The story featured very occasionally in the UK news, but was fairly low key until the ITV programme really bought it to widespread attention. |
Since this was posted on 4/1/2024 I have to ask should the defendant be addressed as Mister or Master?
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I found it. I can scrape this 3 part video out of the cloud and post a command string using ffmpeg to get it. I'm definitely going to watch this. It has some well know British actors in it that I am familiar with. Interesting just for that. Say so if there is any interest.
Uhhh, yes I can. https://0x0.st/Xi-A.png |
I doubt the English Post installed it. Bet they bought it from some contractor.
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The software is called Horizon, supplied to the Post Office by Fujitsu.
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I'd kind of think it wonderful if they fired me without just cause. I'd file to get every penny back plus interest plus benefits plus vacation and sick leave.
Most governmental organizations can't count so I doubt the Post can be to blame. Management has the right to mis-manage! |
Have all of you just discovered this scandal? It's been raging in the UK for weeks, ever since the dramatised version of the story on ITV which gave this thread its title reminded the country of what happened all those years ago. Several of the accused committed suicide, others went to prison, and the survivors still haven't been compensated properly. And the minister in Cameron's coalition government who was responsible for the Post Office at the time is now the leader of the Liberal Party and says he knew nothing about any of this.
One of the things that undoubtedly fed into this was the widespread belief among the general public, including politicians, that computers are infallible. |
Watch live: Post Office Horizon inquiry hearings | Tuesday 09 April 2024 (starts at 10.00am UK time, with a 3 minute delay):
https://www.livetube.tv/news/video-w...-09-april-2024 Public Hearings Timeline: https://www.postofficehorizoninquiry...rings-timeline Witness Timetable: https://www.postofficehorizoninquiry...nd-6-timetable Public Hearings (includes link to live YouTube channel and earlier videos): https://www.postofficehorizoninquiry.org.uk/hearings BBC TV: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-68767646 |
Most only know/care about this because some British TV channel made a sensationalist drama - for their own benefit, i.e. monetizing other people's misery for their own financial gain.
If not for that, no one would know or care... There's a lot of injustice which goes unpunished. Do we need TV dramatisation every time in order to get people to actually give a f***? The reality is that no one actually cares, except those affected and their families - all of the drama is just media induced hand wringing and mock outrage. There are people right now, working in low paid jobs, who haven't seen a pay rise in years, struggling to pay for food, rent and energy bills. The elections are near, so the political elites want to be seen to be doing something about what is currently in the media - the rest of us can continue scraping by, while homelessness, child poverty and mental health problems increase. But instead of addressing the problems faced by millions; "subpostmasters", as in franchisees who are actually by definition self employed company directors (and the only people the out of touch elites/establishment in the UK have any sympathies/connections with), are making the news due to some historic injustice highlighted in a TV drama, all orchestrated for PR purposes and profit... |
I thought that political statements were banned on LQ. So why is this one still here?
Mr. Bates vs The Post Office in on PBS now. https://www.pbs.org/video/episode-1-5tfs8x/ https://www.pbs.org/video/episode-2-aattp9/ https://www.pbs.org/video/episode-3-i6t3b7/ https://www.pbs.org/video/episode-4-fxfr5a/ |
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I need to know your comment if I can post advantages(less disadvantages) at Indian post office ? I am interested to share the advantages I have seen at Indian post office(using IPPB and internet banking) from 2003 to till now. I need to know your comment? yes/no ? A vote like current election result at India sindhubath :) Reason for my comment: Title being: Mr. Bates vs ... Quote:
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