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Old 01-28-2004, 04:11 PM   #1081
tandhlinux
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Great debate. Here is one to throw into the ring. I decide to go Linux. Format my hard drive and start an install of Linux.
Problem, my PC Chips on board modem does not work. What do i do now? Mr gates has everybody in his palm and i can get drivers from the CD-ROM shipped with the MOBO. Where do i get my drivers for Linux?
That is the issue, support from manufacturers, not what the Linux community can do.
Rest assured i will not give up, but for now this is typed through the other OS, shame but thats the way it is for now.
 
Old 01-28-2004, 04:39 PM   #1082
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Ah,

This is the same problem i had when i first installed RH8 about 8 months ago. The problem is that most modems, and i am assuming onboard modems as well, are known as "Win Modems". This makes the modems cheaper, because the Windows OS does some of the work of the modem, instead of having everything done by the hardware. Less hardware needed, so cheaper modem. I never was able to get my modem working so i got rid of Linux on my system until i get a broadband connection which uses an ethernet card, which should be easily usable in linux.

Maybe someone can help you find something to make it work, what is the chipset you have? If its not a real big name brand, good luck. I could never find anything.

Other than that, try to find a fully hardware modem, i am assuming most external modems are hardware. If you find an internal modem that seems more expensive than the others, it's probably a hardware modem. I found one that was $50 but never got it since i was going to soon have broadband.

HTH

Nathan
 
Old 01-28-2004, 05:17 PM   #1083
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Thats one of the reasons I have not put linux on my mothers machine, since she used dial-up... I am in the process of getting here to get cable internet, then she will have fast internet, and then if she does that I will get her linux..
 
Old 01-28-2004, 06:04 PM   #1084
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Get PCIScan. They're not all Winmodems, some can become Linmodems. It will tell you what chipset you have. A common problem is that some people don't know what their V.90 Kflex HSP Micromodem requires. You like I will have trawled the net for a driver, GPL (naturally). Websites exist, covering this topic with tars of drivers for various devices. Try http://walbran.org/sean/linux/linmodem-howto-2.html or Jan Stifter's site.

Just a good excuse for a cable modem if you ask me.

Any ideas on an alternative use use for a redundant onboard faxmodem? Some sort of loopback data compression? Harness the speaker for minimalist scores?
 
Old 01-28-2004, 06:23 PM   #1085
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witeshark thinks:
 
Old 01-28-2004, 06:37 PM   #1086
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Exclamation

hollerith? I let my Parrot do that for me--so much easier!

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Old 01-28-2004, 07:13 PM   #1087
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I prefer penguins.
 
Old 01-29-2004, 12:00 AM   #1088
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I can't believe this thread is still going...
Tandhlinux-internal modems are tricksy things.Rather than risk getting a Winmodem,why not just go external? If you don't have cable options,you will notice a difference in performance with most externals.I surf faster(all things being equal)with an external U.S.Robotics V.90 than I did with a V.92 Winmodem.Of course,I surfed even faster when I put Linux on the box.
If for some reason you really need to stick with an internal,i've heard that any of the new distros can incorporate winmodem-style protocols.Anybody with more info out there?I know it's a bit off topic,but I think the original post has been covered from every angle by now...
 
Old 01-29-2004, 02:53 AM   #1089
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i know an angle u 4got to cover, if ya realy wanna cover it only speak in c



#include <stdio.h>
main() {
float stupidness;
scan("%f", &stupidness);
printf("ONLY %f STUPID!!!", stupidness);
printf("comon i KNOW you can do better");
}


ahh! it killed my formating with spaces! NOOOOOOOOO

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Old 01-29-2004, 04:53 AM   #1090
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i read a few posts ere and basically we need:

a decent distro that picks up any hardware and configures it. maybe having support for nearly every modem or nic out there and during the install if the driver isnt there download it and carry on? just an idea. spending ages replacing hardware until one work isnt good! i have two nics in my pc, one for windows and one for linux. the linux nic is older and slower but works!

installing programs still needs to be easier and only one package format. all these different package formats are confusing also. just have one like .exe's

also we need better support for windows apps. just sticking in a windows cd and installing an exe would be nice.

i'm wishing now!

fo example my dad knows windows well but he'd last 5 minutes with linux even with a dcent gui like kde
 
Old 01-29-2004, 06:14 AM   #1091
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as far as people like me are conderned thre only 1 package format .tar(.gx or .bz2), ok so its 2, but both programs should be on any linux system cuse of there simple use, al source codes are put into this format (.rpm and whatnot was made for u just unpack it and its ready to go), personaly i like to compile things cuse its funner (even tho it can take a hour or more depeding on the package (iv installed everything from source on my system and all together compile tiem alone was at least 24 hours, pluss configureation time and and when it doesent work i hve to recomile (now were up to around 500 hours ), but if you want such a distro then plz start making it, just write scipts to handle anyhting you do, then realse them on a website so people can add more and more till you get that bulky distro u want --just my stupid sence
 
Old 01-29-2004, 12:29 PM   #1092
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Though I am completely new to Linux, I do not think it should be simplified. I have heard worries about too many peole using Linux, and the dexelopers having to "dumb it up" as I heard someone say it. I don't think this should happen. If I want to use Linux, it is my responsibility to raise myself to the standard to use it.

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Old 01-29-2004, 12:51 PM   #1093
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Yet what you don't see is that you can "dumb it up" for others, and still the hardcore users can use it like they want to use it. thats the nice thing about linux.. Yes its nice to help more people learn and stuff.. yet what the man deal is people won't take the time to learn.
 
Old 01-29-2004, 01:11 PM   #1094
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You're absolutely right. somehow I overlooked that point.
 
Old 01-29-2004, 07:31 PM   #1095
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i hope when u say "dumb-it-up" your talking about the distros adding newer software to handle that stuff, not amke teh kernel and basic system dumb cuse that would suck to the people who can use it, if tehy want to dumb it up then just make scripts or frontends to all teh software and leave the orgigional stuff alone so it can still be a good OS for thsoe who want to learn
 
  


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