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View Poll Results: Do you want a Linux with an Interview Style Install and Setup?
I'm a newbie/novice and Yes, I love that idea. thats just what Linux needs. 906 53.83%
I'm an occassional user, I don't care either way. 222 13.19%
I'm an experience/hardcore user and I don't need it to be any easier. I am happy with it the way it is. 555 32.98%
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Old 12-01-2003, 08:49 AM   #811
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Quote:
Originally posted by r_a_smith3530
An hour for setup? An hour will almost get you a Win2k domain combo server!
... that can probably be cracked in 10 minutes.
 
Old 12-01-2003, 09:20 AM   #812
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10 Minutes are too much, it may take less!!
 
Old 12-01-2003, 09:56 AM   #813
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Question Make Linux easier for the general population! Please.

Have you tried Lindows? www.lindows.com
 
Old 12-01-2003, 09:57 AM   #814
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This thread is a trolls wet dream
 
Old 12-01-2003, 02:54 PM   #815
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Originally posted by r_a_smith3530
Let's see, I can think of at least Red Hat and SuSe that might have an argument for your above statement. Yes, Linux is a free OS, but it does and will benefit from people in desktop environments in companies using it. The more widespread and popular it becomes, the more it will grow and improve. Do you for one moment believe that if only 1,000 people had ever taken to Linux, it would be where it is today? Do you think that all of the people that have taken to Linux are programmers? The logical answer to both of those questions is a resounding NO!
But the point is that SuSE and Rehat don't do
TOO much that goes into the common Linux
pool. I do admit that there are individuals within
those company's that are "enlightened" and
share stuff to the public :}


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As an OS gains wider acceptance it grows. That statement holds true for either proprietary or free systems.
Well, this is a yes but no thing. Linux hasn't gotten more
drivers because people who couldn't use it whined. It became
better because some nerd dedicated to using it wrote a driver
for a device he had but that wasn't supported.

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Have you seen anyone plunking keys on a KayPro lately?
Heh, I've seen one of those at my mates ;)

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No, the concept of man-pages is not mature, it is archaic. You are required to know the name of the command to find what you are looking for. To hell with that I say. Database it so that you can type in a keyword or phrase relating to what you want to do. I want to print. I don't want coffee. I'm never going to relate CUPS with printing! Yes, I hate to say, it is time to drag *NIX, kicking and screaming, into the 21st Century!
You're plain and simply wrong here. I managed to
learn pretty much everything I know about my Linux
commands from man -k <serachterm> | grep <more words>

And that way I managed to retrieve more relevant info
than I ever managed to squeeze out of MS Products with
F1


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I can completely build, personalize and network an NT/2000 box on our network, with printers and drives mapped, in a half hour or less. That is starting with a blank hard drive. I don't have an hour for configuration anymore. I am spread too thin! An hour for setup? An hour will almost get you a Win2k domain combo server!
Give me a fast network, and machines with boot-proms,
and I'll set you up a thousand in a day :P My example
was set in a Novell/Windows network environment (enemy
ground ;}), and it took me an hour on not too flash hardware.

I do appreciate that with network applications, a login-script
and roaming profiles on the DC you can maintain a network
easily, but I can accomplish the same with NIS, and NFS,
probably faster.


Cheers.
Tink
 
Old 12-01-2003, 03:57 PM   #816
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linux is easier then windows,,u just are a windows baby paulbarrr


"windows baby = sumone brought up with windows after years of use are stuck in it, can't reopen there mind "

ugh i just woke up so i dunno if this is confusing but a normal day in the life for me of teching windows and linux os's is half an hour to mount and add ntfs file support for kernel 2.4.20 create shortcuts to the mount and edit the fstab file for a clean mount each boot in linux,,,as compared to one friggen day working out in xp how to change the default "my computer" icon and make it stick without a third party application,, get my drift paul ? ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
Old 12-01-2003, 04:00 PM   #817
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IM SERIOUS ARE U GUYS AWARE OF WHAT IT TAKES TO ALTER THAT FREAKIN MY COMPUTER ICON IN XP AND KEEP IT THERE ????????GEEZUS CHRSITDSAFFAFSADSFSFL;DKSF
 
Old 12-02-2003, 12:39 AM   #818
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The question was about making LINUX easier for the GENERAL POPULATION.

everyone likes life to be easier so I would say yes..

I have used pc's from DOS days through all the windows to XP and they have got easier.

Linux is certainly the same... Only played with Linux over the last 18 months... can say for sure Distros like Mandrake are alot easier for the general public
I tried Lindows the other day and if that is not aimed at easy use and the general public I dont know what is...
The install process is incredibly easy and installing apps you just go to the web and click on one you want and it downloads and installs all in one hit... want to delete it .. just clcik uninstall.. want the OS updated or the program well it automatically does it from the web but u can use a cd to get most apps off it that are large so u dont hog you connection for ages
Now that is getting easy for Joe Blogs and it is even easier than Windows !!! Lindows isnt perfect but Linux is still under neath and You can do all those glorious command line bits if you like..
So there is an example of lnux getting easier for the General public and it is all good.

I for one like to learn but also dont want to die of a heart attack cause i am so stressed out trying to get something to work
It's nice to have some different flavours of Linux available and yes I still duel boot to XP so I can watch my movies through My TV Out cause it is too much of a pain in Linux... so far..
I vote lets make LIFE easier and more accesible to the public... and I think some linux distros are certainly doing that... go down to Walmart and buy a cheap PC with Lindows preinstalled... or if you prefer windows
Thats where the general public likes to buy... toasters TV's oh and yeah PC's

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Old 12-02-2003, 02:26 AM   #819
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I see Linux as a matter of choice.

Choose to use windows choose to use linux.

I chose linux because I had very few options as to how my system ran and I wanted to.

But to set up and run it the way I want I had to accept that I had much to learn how to use Linux.

Three years ago I started out with SuSe but Yast seemd difficult for me as a newbie. Nothing wrong with Yast just my expectations. Then I switched to Mandrake but as Mandrake matured I felt that they were starting to go the way of windows (IMHO) by making decisions for me during install and configuration. Great for some people but not necessarily why I went to Linux so I switched tp Slackware.

Slack isn't for someone who wants it done for them. It's for people who want to learn and do it for themselves.

ELX, Lindows are the easiest and for those who want windows ease with Linux stability, but you have to pay as in $$ Free software don't mean you don'y pay somehow even if it's only by learning how to do some things yourself.

I fight with windows at work both on my desktop and then with some automated systems we use. When I come home I don't want any hassles so I run Slack. But the cost was learning how to use it. It's fast, its stable and as another slack user at our Nov. MLUG meeting said last Friday "It's a joy".
 
Old 12-02-2003, 05:46 AM   #820
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i use linux
because of galeon and xemacs (all the packages that are not available on windows)
 
Old 12-04-2003, 06:23 PM   #821
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"Linux is how many years old now? Why keep it in the dark ages just to protect the interest of the experts."

This seems to be the way this big question is always framed when you are new to GNU/Linux (or the *BSD's, for that matter). The problem is the outlook. Sure, companies like Red Hat and Suse are out there pumping out the code like the inmates at Redmond, but they're smaller and much newer and without the finances to buy every promising technology to "invent" for the OS.

For the most part, GNU/Linux is developed and improved upon by mostly people who hack and code in their spare time. Drivers are rarely developed by the companies who make hardware, so its a guessing game for those who need a driver for their new equipment. They have to reverse-engineer the hardware and write the driver themselves. The only time I heard that was necessary was for the 3DFX video cards, when Windows stopped making complete drivers for hardware that was no longer made. I have a great respect for all those who toil over the little things to make my life easier on my OS. I must say that I still have my Mandrake 9.1 installation intact after many attempts by my 4 year old to bring it to its knees (because I have locked him out of anything not necessary for his game/educational enjoyment). I can't say the same for my poor WinXP install, which he crippled so badly in an hour that I found it less work to reinstall.

GNU/Linux has come a long way, considering its been an uphill battle, and its improving day by day. The push for a friendly desktop is still a new thing. As a user, who has not had to pay for fully functional software that gets his day done, I doubt that I will be dwelling in the Windows world any time soon. To each his own, of course.
 
Old 12-04-2003, 07:25 PM   #822
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Exactly. People who want to "protect their turf" can develop their own contorted version of linux, and put it where the sun dont shine. Personally, I think the linux kernel is AOK. the desktop environments which provide an abstraction to the kernel resources could be simplified, but linux itself ( not GNU/Linux ) can be improved on a little.

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Old 12-04-2003, 07:32 PM   #823
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Quote:
Originally posted by unholy
Exactly. People who want to "protect their turf" can develop their own contorted version of linux, and put it where the sun dont shine. Personally, I think the linux kernel is AOK. the desktop environments which provide an abstraction to the kernel resources could be simplified, but linux itself ( not GNU/Linux ) can be improved on a little.
Geee dude, you still don't get it :)

You didn't even read the post you got the protect from
properly. The contorted bits are what YOU want ;) ...
Linux is just fine, and it's written by the people who
"develop their own version". You are the aberration here.

The people who scream for an easier to use version
don't develop anything, they just bitch and whine.


Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 12-04-2003, 09:45 PM   #824
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Like someone said, some 12 gigaposts ago, this thread deals with making linx easier for the GENERAL POPULATION.

There's no sense in making it easier for the hardcore user, I agree. The question, then, is if the whole community benefits from linux being adopted by the general population.

My opinion is: yes.

(uff... promised myself i wouldn't post in this thread anymore...)
 
Old 12-04-2003, 10:28 PM   #825
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i would say yes they should try to make an easier to use version of linux, but isnt that what they are trying to do? i first ran into problems with linux on my 1st install due to hardware compatibility, if u have compatible hardware, then the modern versions of linux should be simple to install, if you are used to using windows linux will feel strange at first but you need to remember these are different operating systems, you have to re-learn how to use a computer when you 1st start with linux.
 
  


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