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View Poll Results: Do you want a Linux with an Interview Style Install and Setup?
I'm a newbie/novice and Yes, I love that idea. thats just what Linux needs. 906 53.83%
I'm an occassional user, I don't care either way. 222 13.19%
I'm an experience/hardcore user and I don't need it to be any easier. I am happy with it the way it is. 555 32.98%
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Old 11-24-2003, 08:37 AM   #736
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well i have read and digested much of the opinions here. Good as they may sound, i ve been programming on Windows enviro for not less than 7 yrs now. Due to the demands of my current project/Job and my personal Interest in venturing into new stuffs, I dived into LINUX, installed SUsE and Samba to be shared under Windows 2000. First it worked fine, suddenly the printing wont work again.

The trouble is Iv posted my current prob here and in other users sites. My posting have attracted close to 200% readership, but no close suggestion as to helping me get rid of the error. It therefore baffles me when other users here keep insisting the Linux is very easy to use. Maybe i have not been too lucky when it comes to gething productive responses to my postings.

I still do have some patience to burn here, but i dont really know how much is still left though.

I agree that Linux shouldnt necessarily be made as easy as Windows, but in that case there should be adequate help available except the idea is to have more frustrated newbies then successful newbies.
 
Old 11-24-2003, 10:59 AM   #737
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The term linux gets abused a little. The distributions differ greatly in their strengths and weaknesses. Many issues people have problems with are actually nothing to do with 'linux' per se, but on a higher level, for example KDE or the X server. Linux is only the kernel. The operating system is GNU/Linux, and youre distro has it's own bells and whistles.

Linux itself is only about 3% of the system you are currently using. See this link for the facts.


http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html
 
Old 11-24-2003, 01:47 PM   #738
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Quote:
Originally posted by xode
By the way, Tinkster, please explain the following further:
Quote:
Originally posted by Tinkster
...but I do appreciate that you don't
think like this. Tell me where you live and I'll
invite myself over sometime
Sure! :}

I'll do like you suggest new people here
be doing. I'll call in at your house, and
from the first second demand that you
change your lifestyle to suit MY NEEDS
and MY EXPECTATIONS, and
demand that based on the rule that you
have to be curteous.

Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 11-24-2003, 01:57 PM   #739
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Re: the great falicy of errors in code

Quote:
Originally posted by perry
further to say that the computer is capable of making an error, is like saying the sun and the stars are capable of being out of position and if so are therefore responsible for it. the sun, moon and the starts are going to be whatever what created them intended them to be and do whatever they were intended to do and when they were intended to do it.

so there is no need to argue whether or not a computer program is "correct".

hope this makes a bit of sense

cheers

- perry
Makes sense, but isn't aimed at what I was
saying (or intended to convey). My point is
that making stuff more complex isn't the way
to make it less error-prone.


Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 11-24-2003, 02:22 PM   #740
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If linux wasn't easy enough than why would my friend switch his 83 yr ant to linux? Because when she got her system back it was actually easier for her to use than Windows. She stop losing her address book she stop getting virus her game she wanted to play always worked and her printing never fails. Thats why. At 83 she couldn't remember to keep here virus scanner up to date. So she constantly lost her stuff and with linux that all stopped. She now wonders why everybody isn't using Linux because it just plan works without it changing evey couple of weeks for no reason.
 
Old 11-24-2003, 02:35 PM   #741
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83 years is pretty old for an ant ....

Congratulations to your friend :)

...and no offense meant, but that
might be one of the funniest spelling
errors I've seen in a while.


Cheers,
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Old 11-24-2003, 03:48 PM   #742
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Kovacs:

Thanks for the help/info/advice .... looks more like the whole library is there .. a veritable wealth of information. I am still looking through it for what I want... thanks again.
 
Old 11-24-2003, 09:00 PM   #743
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Kovacs:

Thanks for the help/info/advice .... looks more like the whole library is there .. a veritable wealth of information. I am still looking through it for what I want... thanks again.
I'm not trying to belittle kovacs achievement
here, or the value his link had for you, but
you would have found this if you had taken
the time to click the button "links" that you
see at the top of every LQ page, and then
followed the "doc" link from there .... :}


Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 11-25-2003, 01:58 AM   #744
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... but you would have found this if you had taken the time to click the button "links" that you see at the top of every LQ page, and then followed the "doc" link from there ...
Oy, here goes again. Not enough time to test-click every (sparsely labeled) button, thus overlooking the next treasure ... big thanks, Tinkster .
 
Old 11-25-2003, 02:22 AM   #745
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Originally posted by ricdave ... I think the original post had to do with making Linux easier (someone should maybe write a few scripts to automate installs I think) for the mythical average user. ... Now if we could just get a standardized install script that would run point and click....
This is probably this thread's distilled result / consensus on the original topic.

I'd just suggest something more along the lines of the "Install Shield"(C)(TM)(R) . I'd imagine a GUI front-end on top of the checkinstall script, bolstered with direct installing of rpms and a hefty portion of interactive error correction for newbies. Luxury variant with http/ftp client and interactive download of missing dependencies ... improvements by your suggestions welcome anytime .

Last edited by JZL240I-U; 11-25-2003 at 02:24 AM.
 
Old 11-25-2003, 02:24 AM   #746
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I am going to start programming a GUI config editor (All In One). The hardest part to linux is installing stuff and configuration. I know how to edit these files but why the hell would I do that when I can edit them in a GUI app, save time and get back to my work.

If you are new to linux and you want to set up a samba share, that is not easy...
 
Old 11-25-2003, 08:19 AM   #747
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Hi
I don't have got a TV, cause I don't wanna waste time with bullshits..
Only have an ATI Radeon AIW on my PC, and I'm wasting a *lot* of time trying to make it work with MDK 9.2.
Sure I'll fix it but continue not to watch TV.
There's much more in trying Linux than wasting time in other ways!!
Cheers
 
Old 11-25-2003, 08:33 AM   #748
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Quote:
Originally posted by LOUDSilence
If you are new to linux and you want to set up a samba share, that is not easy...
Actually....I found this to be one of the easiest things to do when I started my transistion to Linux. The file is actually not very long and as far as I was concerned pretty straight forward. And the samaba how to I found was really short and answer all the questions I couldn't figure out by looking at the config file.

Of course, I also consider myself smarter than the average bear.

Netizen
 
Old 11-25-2003, 01:35 PM   #749
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Oy, here goes again.
Well, my reputation as a grumpy old
bastard is at stake ;)

Quote:
Not enough time to test-click every (sparsely labeled) button, thus overlooking the next treasure ... big thanks, Tinkster :D.
Moin moin,

und keine Ursache :D

Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 11-26-2003, 12:58 AM   #750
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Originally posted by Tinkster
...
Moin moin,
und keine Ursache
...
What's this? A New Zealander knowing northern Germany's slang? What's next? Moin moin back (7:54 right now) and have a nice day.
 
  


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