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I'm a newbie/novice and Yes, I love that idea. thats just what Linux needs.
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Old 11-14-2003, 10:25 PM   #601
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<<< Nope, but then I'm certain you
won't find many posts of mine
that just say RTFM >>>

However, that is exactly what I was referring to. The RTFM/STFW thing. It looks like we may be in agreement on that, true?
 
Old 11-14-2003, 10:32 PM   #602
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Originally posted by Blackrose1
I'll keep trying to read them though, and I'll keep coming here and asking questions, no one is ultimately knowledgeable about anything,
Amen to that ... I've been using Linux for several
years, and keep learning new stuff about it every
day...

Quote:
and to presuome that a person needing help is lazy is wrong.
That's certainly right, I've asked for help
around these places, too.

However, the way people ask things
most often quite clearly indicates whether
they've taken ANY steps to resolve the
problem themselves.

If they have, a good thing (as a rule of thumb)
is to post (toghether with your question) what
you've done to resolve the issue.

And to say:"I didn't know that there's something
like a manpage" just indicates that they haven't
even read the screens they were presented
with during/after install (which again -to me
at least- indicates that someone is lazy).
I know that older versions of SuSE (4.2 to 7)
Mandrake (6 - 8.2), and current Slack (8 to 9)
present you with SOME form of advice what to
do, where to look, how to seek information.

Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 11-15-2003, 01:09 AM   #603
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Hmmm but,but I'm just a lazy typist and make lots a typo. Isn't it a bit presumptuous to assume just because they didn't list all the things a they did to solve a problem, that they didn't try to solve it themselves first.
I look up and print readme files ,howto's and manpages , then read them very carefully 2 or 3 times. I read various guides and such before even considering posting a question to a list or forum. Of course by the time I post a question is usally late, to very late. So I post a brief question and hope someone has a solution or a suggest to reference material that I may have missed that may provide a solution. I would think a lot of other people would do the same, just as a matter pride if for nothing else.
 
Old 11-15-2003, 01:28 AM   #604
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But what want people?
Think they that any of the OSs is perfect?
Every body can install Windoze, OS/2, Mac, Linux or any other existent or be existent OS in another time. But...why I prefer Linux? Because it is free, because a lot of people who like to exchange experiences are working inside it and because Linux Questions and other forums are open to help another people with Linux OS

What is the price?
Nothing at all
We like to do that; we are happy to help anyone who want to learn
And no more
 
Old 11-15-2003, 02:52 PM   #605
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Originally posted by Icarus56
Hmmm but,but I'm just a lazy typist and make lots a typo. Isn't it a bit presumptuous to assume just because they didn't list all the things a they did to solve a problem, that they didn't try to solve it themselves first.
So you're saying if someone is too lazy
to type what he did I shouldn't assume he's
lazy? :)

My entire rant in this thread is about how
lazy people are, and how they demand
to be entertained, fed and cleaned .... ;)

Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 11-15-2003, 03:39 PM   #606
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From mac_phil

I strongly disagree that it is rude or unhelpful to tell a newbie to STFW. RTFM is usually not very helpful, but is still appropriate in some cases.
RTFM and STFW are profane and completely disrespectful. Courteously pointing out that their next best step would be to search the web for ... or to read such and such manual for ... is courteous and appropriate. So, "you have done this 1000000+ times before and are tired of doing it one more time because you feel that the person asking should already 'know this' and should have 'thought out his question before asking?'" Well then, perhaps you can choose to not respond and let someone else answer. At least, that way, you wouldn't cause the harm that you would by spewing out RTFM and STFW.

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From mac_phil

Most newbie questions have been answered scores of times on Usenet, with follow-ups, clarifications, etc. Usually someone has asked their specific questions about their specific hardware running their specific distribution. Teaching a newbie to do a Google Groups search to solve their Linux problem is doing them a favor.
What I have seen so far on Usenets, user groups, etc. has been obscure and obtuse technispeek, and of little to no help to me.

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From mac_phil

There is a quite objective measure of whether or not their question is thought through. It is thought through only if it is possible to answer the question, and the answer is information the newbie wants.

"Does anyone here know how to get sound to work?" Not answerable because we have no idea what software and hardware are involved. Not thought through.

"Does anyone here have sound working in RedHat?" Answerable, but won't give them the information they want. Not thought through.

"RedHat 9 didn't auto-configure my sound correctly. It loaded driver X. I have soundcard Y. When I play XMMS it does Z. What do I need to do to get sound?" Answerable and the answer will help them. Well thought through.
Click..beep! Click...beep! And, any of this justifies RTFM and STFW? How about, none of it does. By the way, "Does anyone here know how to get sound to work?" is an answerable question. The answer to that question would be another question requesting more specifics about the problem. But, according to the holier-than-thou nonsense that you are espousing here, the person asking the original question should have already "known" to supply the specifics in the first place and because they didn't, they are "stupid, etc. and fully deserving of RTFM, STFW, etc." No doubt, it would be better, as I stated above, that you not respond.

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From Tinkster

So, I guess I'm judging by my own standards (and those of quite a few friends of mine). And I dare to take my democratic right of free speech - just as you did just then - to say what I think it takes to keep this board useful for everyone, and not make it a "parent surrogate" for the lazy.
So, it is OK to bully people with RTFM and STFW to get your way and then, you are are called on that, you hide behind the rights that you deny others?

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From Tinkster

Sure have ... but when asked to be more precise I didn't spit the dummy and run away, sulking, or abuse the person I asked for something.
Spewing out RTFM and STFW is not being asked to be more precise. Further, I am certain that every newbie and every so called "stupid" poster (according to you, not me) on this board would not "spit the dummy and run away, sulking, or abuse the person I asked for something." if they were asked for more precise information in response to their questions, instead of receiving the RTFM and STFW profanity.

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From Tinkster

As a matter of fact I think I've been doing stupid things on-line for what's close to 20 years now :} (BBS's, FIDO-Net, IRC, Newsgroups, .... ) but I did improve vastly by being rebuked. ;}
Bully for you. So, am I now hearing that, since things were made hard for you in the past, you believe that you are entitled to make things hard for others now? This nonsense is the root cause of the RTFM and STFW sickness.

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From qwijibow

wow... people who share the same views as me !

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hand holding will not help newbies learn linux
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DEFINATLY !
Incorrect: hand holding will help many newbies learn Linux. I would say it depends on the newbie.

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From qwijibow

if every1 searched for an answer and then asked the question, this forum would be ridded of its redundant information, and finding answers would be 10 times easyer.
I got it: the Linux Questions board exists only to serve qwijibow's whims...not!!

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From qwijibow

i admit that sometimes, (especially when i was a newb) i had asked what i now realise is a stupid question, (but maybe didnt at the time) sumthing like i couldnt install X, cos X depended on Y, and i couldnt install Y cos Y depended on X... some one quite told me to RTFM, which i did, and found i had to rpm -ivh X Y (at the same time) after that, i always read documentaion that came with software, and as a result, have porbably solved alot more problems without having to ask.
And how much wheel did you have to reinvent and how much time did you waste doing so. Getting and giving clear, courteous and helpful answers to all questions, instead of the RTFM and STFW horse manure does have its upside, you know.

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From joe83

quote:
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Originally posted by ricdave
<<< But what if they can't comprehend that
what they ask is not thought through, >>>

Npt thought through by your standard? Your parents? Your friends? You have been appointed arbiter of what is properly thought through? You have never been stuck on the simple or obvious? Ever? Never asked a less than perfect, concise, question? On any forum? Of anyone? Are you really "polly perfect"?
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Don't let these guys suck you in.
They are not here to help, they are here to insult others and aggrandize themselves. The best way to deal with them is to ignore them. Your anger is what feeds them.
Starve them.
I couldn't agree with you more. However, they can't be totally ignored, meaning that their nonsense does, from time to time, need to be rebutted. Otherwise, newcomers and perhaps others might believe that only they and their nonsense exist, with the eventual result that they and their nonsense only do exist.

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From Tinkster

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Originally posted by joe83
They are not here to help, they are here to insult others and aggrandize themselves.
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* Tinkster throws joe83 a nickel:"Go and get yourself some lollies, Sigmund." :}

Cheers,
Tink
Do I see a demeaning jab at joe83 here? Perhaps, it is because joe83 is stating the truth and you can't deal with it, so you attack him instead?

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From qwijibow

its just good forum use. if any1 can give me one good reason why asking the same questions over and over with the same answers over and over, rather than being told that the same question was asked at Search keyword "Mount ntfs how" i will retract my staement....
Start retracting. If you look at your original response to me, you will notice that it isn't even close to the format of "being told that the same question was asked at Search keyword 'Mount ntfs how'" True, "being told that the same question was asked at Search keyword 'Mount ntfs how'" was part of it (a small part near the end). However, I had to endure the rude, profane and completely unhelpful RTFM and STFW nonsense. Personally, I would have been overjoyed at having only received something like "being told that the same question was asked at Search keyword 'Mount ntfs how'"

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From Tinkster

quote:
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Originally posted by ricdave
<<< So you're implying that asking someone to
learn something/retrieve information for
themselves is harmful? >>>
Do you equate the above with RTFM/STFN?

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Nope, but then I'm certain you
won't find many posts of mine
that just say RTFM
Why should any of your posts spew RTFM? By all means, if you believe that the answer is in a manual somewhere, then state so, and where, without the profane and demeaning RTFM.

Quote:
From Tinkster

Again ... I will usually post a reference
to man, or a specific man page, or the link
to the LQ search engine (no RTFM), most of
the time even with the correct search
already done. How does this make me
behave badly?
It doesn't. But, that isn't what the last few posts of yours in this thread have been, either.

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From Tinkster

code:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My sound doesn't work!!!
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A question like that may seem valid to the
person who asks it, however, it leaves the
potential helpers completely in the dark
as to what the issue is. And we aren't
"dancing paper-clips", and don't have to
be. The point that it may be valid to act
like that when you pay 300$ every two
years, but its certainly not in a field where
people write code and give it away, and
support it for free.
So, who appointed you to be the judge of how people are supposed to request support for open source code?

Quote:
From Tinkster

And to bring in another metaphor: imagine
you have a (perfectly working) microwave,
and for some reason you decide to put it on
the side of the road for people to take it away.
The next day a chap knocks on your door,
abusing you that he doesn't understand how
your microwave works, and what were you
thinking, and could you please come to his
place and cook a meal for him.
This entire metaphor fails, because: (1) newbies asking questions on this board, no matter what the question, are not "chaps knocking on your door, abusing you that they don't understand how your microwave works, and what were you thinking, and could you please come to their place and cook a meal for them," for the simple reason that this is a public forum and not your (or my) personal board. Plus, you don't even have to respond (wow!).

Quote:
From Tinkster

However, the way people ask things
most often quite clearly indicates whether
they've taken ANY steps to resolve the
problem themselves.
I wouldn't make that assumption. Sometimes people get so glazed over by problem that all they can think of at first is to ask the simple, so called "stupid" question.
 
Old 11-15-2003, 04:49 PM   #607
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Originally posted by xode
What I have seen so far on Usenets, user groups, etc. has been obscure and obtuse technispeek, and of little to no help to me.
Yep, and when you visit Italy all Italians
are supposed to speak English for you.

Quote:
Bully for you. So, am I now hearing that, since things were made hard for you in the past, you believe that you are entitled to make things hard for others now? This nonsense is the root cause of the RTFM and STFW sickness.
Rubbish ... what you are hearing is that
a base level needs to be found, and that
to assume that because you can't understand
how your computer works means I have to
hold you by the hand is not going to work.

Quote:
I couldn't agree with you more. However, they can't be totally ignored, meaning that their nonsense does, from time to time, need to be rebutted. Otherwise, newcomers and perhaps others might believe that only they and their nonsense exist, with the eventual result that they and their nonsense only do exist.
And you're doing the same thing that ricdave did just
the other day. You doubt our (the linux hardliners who
want to smarten up the newbs) right to set the standard,
but firmly believe you're entitled to it.

Quote:
Do I see a demeaning jab at joe83 here? Perhaps, it is because joe83 is stating the truth and you can't deal with it, so you attack him instead?
Nope. What you see is a response to an accusation
that is as far fetched as it is pointless. If I said you're
with holding money from the IRD you'd probably say
something similar because it's just not true.

Quote:
So, who appointed you to be the judge of how people are supposed to request support for open source code?
I did, with the same right that ricdave and you
believe that you have the right to criticise me.

Quote:
This entire metaphor fails, because: (1) newbies asking questions on this board, no matter what the question, are not "chaps knocking on your door, abusing you that they don't understand how your microwave works, and what were you thinking, and could you please come to their place and cook a meal for them," for the simple reason that this is a public forum and not your (or my) personal board. Plus, you don't even have to respond (wow!).
Let me reply with this quote...
Quote:
increible but true

more than 400 people have viewed this post and no body can answer it??

Cheers,
Tink

Last edited by Tinkster; 11-15-2003 at 05:52 PM.
 
Old 11-15-2003, 08:22 PM   #608
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don't you think this post got abit off-subject?

anyway, just to stick my two cents in, I think that windows users SHOULD be encouraged to try linux, even if they have never heard of it before, simply because if palladium / treacherous computing goes ahead, linux will have no hope in the future of computing. If one using linux cannot create files that can be read on windows, then who is going to use linux? even worse, what if m$ were to encrypt all websites running on IIS, and have IE spew out a whole heap of privacy garbage when visiting non-encrypted websites, saying that you may get a virus or spam, or that your computer might randomly shut down if you view this web page? The majority of windows users would believe it! People need to be shown that there are faster, more stable alternatives to windows. When buying a second hand computer, people should not ask 'What windows does it have?' More kiwi's need to be turned into penguins ;D . And it wouldn't be so bad if kangaroos were replaced by penguins either. And a few americans. Where do we want to go today? Antartica!

In answer to the question: Try lycoris. www.lycoris.com and a download version available at www.lycoris.org. It is one of the few newbie distro's that have download versions, it is incredibly easy to use, eaiser set-up than windows (btw how can anyone perfer windows setup? winxp takes like 20mins of loading random unneeded drivers and a restart just to get into a gui, with about 5 restarts needed to get a system working). Lycoris has everything where you would expect it, a control panel similar to winxp's, lots of easy-to-use features, sidebars when browsing files, speed, and anyone who has used winxp will be at home right away.

I think the kde project need to make konqueror more like the winxp file browser, with sidebars showing links to common places. Looking at the previews of the Longhorn UI, KDE is going to need alot of work to catch up. KDE needs to be more task-based like windows, instead of win9x style interface with pretty skins. (Although I am in no way saying that windows is better, I still infinitely prefer linux, and the features is has over windows, and all the work gone into kde 3.1, I am just saying that kde4 will need a UI more like what longhorn is aiming for)

Maybe Mozilla needs to be more like konqueror. If it had different views for directory viewing, and opened from location local files, it could replace konqueror. Then there would be a true everything-browser, that has better support for using the internet. Konqueror is still pretty much useless for internet browsing, mainly with things like displaying elements, and asking all the time about cookies.

Also both Mozilla and OpenOffice.org need to have daemon mode, to keep their libraries in memory, to improve startup times. Especially for slow computers like mine.

Lastly, Mozilla Firebird and Thunderbird rock! They are my only choices for browsing / email on ANY os!

Last edited by aesahaettr; 11-15-2003 at 08:38 PM.
 
Old 11-15-2003, 08:51 PM   #609
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Originally posted by xode
What I have seen so far on Usenets, user groups, etc. has been obscure and obtuse technispeek, and of little to no help to me.

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Yep, and when you visit Italy all Italians
are supposed to speak English for you.
Actually, I would expect Italians to take the time to teach me how to speak Italian in a courteous manner. I would not expect them to be rude to me right off the bat with the implied assumption and demand that I automatically know Italian, which is what your RTFM/STFW nonsense is.

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Bully for you. So, am I now hearing that, since things were made hard for you in the past, you believe that you are entitled to make things hard for others now? This nonsense is the root cause of the RTFM and STFW sickness.

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Rubbish ... what you are hearing is that
a base level needs to be found, and that
to assume that because you can't understand
how your computer works means I have to
hold you by the hand is not going to work.
Phwat a dodge, and you know it. Why not just own up to it? You committed RTFM/STFW disrespect towards others and got called on it.

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From Tinkster

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I couldn't agree with you more. However, they can't be totally ignored, meaning that their nonsense does, from time to time, need to be rebutted. Otherwise, newcomers and perhaps others might believe that only they and their nonsense exist, with the eventual result that they and their nonsense only do exist.

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And you're doing the same thing that ricdave did just
the other day. You doubt our (the linux hardliners who
want to smarten up the newbs) right to set the standard,
but firmly believe you're entitled to it.
Another dodge and an attempt to couch your RTFM/STFW horse manure behind a veil of "respectability of setting the standard." I once again see "I was made miserable so I now have the right to do it to others...," with the added twist of a coverup since you have been called on it. Have you perhaps considered (if only for a microsecond) that "setting the standard" might be better accomplished by courteous and informative replies, even if they happen to be simple pointers to questions that have already been answered or to documentation that you already know about? Regarding courtesy and respect towards others, there is definitely a standard and it did not come from either me or ricdave.

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From Tinkster

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Do I see a demeaning jab at joe83 here? Perhaps, it is because joe83 is stating the truth and you can't deal with it, so you attack him instead?

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Nope. What you see is a response to an accusation
that is as far fetched as it is pointless. If I said you're
with holding money from the IRD you'd probably say
something similar because it's just not true.
Actually, given your response to my last post in this thread and your continued arguments here to try to "justify" RTFM/STFW behavior, it would appear that joe83's assertion might be very much on target.

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So, who appointed you to be the judge of how people are supposed to request support for open source code?

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I did, with the same right that ricdave and you
believe that you have the right to criticise me.
Actually, it is your rude and demeaning postings that I am criticising and not necessarily you. Further, look at what you are arguing for? You are trying to claim the "right" to be able to disrespect others whenever they post "stupid" (in your mind) or "not well thought out" (again in your mind) questions. On the other hand, me and ricdave are arguing for courteous and informative responses to all questions, even if they happen to be simple pointers to questions that have already been answered or to documentation that you already know about? Considering that Linux Questions states that it is a forum where newbies come for help, the position that me and ricdave have taken makes infinitely more sense than yours.

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This entire metaphor fails, because: (1) newbies asking questions on this board, no matter what the question, are not "chaps knocking on your door, abusing you that they don't understand how your microwave works, and what were you thinking, and could you please come to their place and cook a meal for them," for the simple reason that this is a public forum and not your (or my) personal board. Plus, you don't even have to respond (wow!).

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Let me reply with this quote...

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increible but true

more than 400 people have viewed this post and no body can answer it??

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Your metaphor still fails, again, because this is a public forum, not yours or my personal board, and you still don't have to respond (wow^2!). By the way, if I saw:

Quote:
increible but true

more than 400 people have viewed this post and no body can answer it??
... I would respond to that with a courteous and as informative a reply as I could. Maybe you can turn over a new leaf by pointing me to where you saw that posting (or am I supposed to "automatically know" or "find out" where that posting is).
 
Old 11-15-2003, 09:25 PM   #610
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don't you think this post got abit off-subject?
Actually I do, however...

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From joe83

quote:
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Originally posted by ricdave
<<< But what if they can't comprehend that
what they ask is not thought through, >>>

Npt thought through by your standard? Your parents? Your friends? You have been appointed arbiter of what is properly thought through? You have never been stuck on the simple or obvious? Ever? Never asked a less than perfect, concise, question? On any forum? Of anyone? Are you really "polly perfect"?
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Don't let these guys suck you in.
They are not here to help, they are here to insult others and aggrandize themselves. The best way to deal with them is to ignore them. Your anger is what feeds them.
Starve them.

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I couldn't agree with you more. However, they can't be totally ignored, meaning that their nonsense does, from time to time, need to be rebutted. Otherwise, newcomers and perhaps others might believe that only they and their nonsense exist, with the eventual result that they and their nonsense only do exist.
...all of which is an ugly mess that I hope to see cleaned up soon.

Regarding the rest of your posting, I would say that the documentation for Linux as a whole needs to be vastly improved. It appears that there are enough different flavors of Linux out there that there is now a GUI style for Linux to suit anyone. You have stated that you like Lycoris because of its XP flavor. Personally, Mandrake 9.0 with its KDE 3.0 look and feel is quite fine by me and I like it a lot better than I would like the look and feel of XP. There is nothing wrong with that. We have different tastes and there is something there for both of us.

However, the lack of extensive and clearly written documentation on how to use, and especially maintain or fix whatever Linux system one might have, is going to cause major problems (assuming that it hasn't already). The largest areas of improvement that I can see would be in the area of: (1) given a task that I want Linux to do, what command(s) will do it; and (2) given a certain GUI behavior that I want to change, where do I have to go and what flags, variables, etc. do I have to modify.
 
Old 11-15-2003, 09:53 PM   #611
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okay. i am not sure i have a place getting into this discussion but I am newly switched over to linux. I've learned that some little tasks take more time then expected but also the rewards are greater when accomplished. I just want to know ALL the features that make linux more powerful then windows for and end user who just wants to screw around and learn new things. They say the power is in the command line but i'm just not understanding that part of it yet. I mean i know windows command line but thats it really. I wouldn't know how to link all these codes together or what purpose it would serve.

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Old 11-15-2003, 09:58 PM   #612
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Quote:
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You have stated that you like Lycoris because of its XP flavor.
Actually I meant that it is great for begginers, even my parents can use it. Personally I use Gentoo with XFCE4. I agree that some easy to use tutorials wouldn't go unnoticed. Maybe I should write some...
 
Old 11-15-2003, 10:21 PM   #613
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xode...

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its just good forum use. if any1 can give me one good reason why asking the same questions over and over with the same answers over and over, rather than being told that the same question was asked at Search keyword "Mount ntfs how" i will retract my staement....


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Start retracting. If you look at your original response to me, you will notice that it isn't even close to the format of "being told that the same question was asked at Search keyword 'Mount ntfs how'" True, "being told that the same question was asked at Search keyword 'Mount ntfs how'" was part of it (a small part near the end). However, I had to endure the rude, profane and completely unhelpful RTFM and STFW nonsense. Personally, I would have been overjoyed at having only received something like "being told that the same question was asked at Search keyword 'Mount ntfs how'"
thats very nice, but you didnt give me one reason why its good to post the same question over and over and have the same answers posted over and over and over...

and you are just talking crap..... somwhere i said..
IF EVERY1 SEARCHED THE FORUM USING THE SEARCH FUNCTION TO MAKE SURE THE ANSWER WASNT ALREADY THERE BEFORE ASKING AGAIN, IT WOULD REDUCE REDUNDANCY OF INFORMATION, AND MAKE FINDING ANSWERS EASYER SINCE THERE WOULD BE LESS REDUNDANCY TO FILTER OUT

AND THEN YOU JUST REPLY WITH SOMTHIGN LIKE "THIS FORUM EXISTS ONLY TO SERVE YOU ???"

HOW DID U COME TO THAT CONCLUSION, IF THE FORUM WAS CLEANER, IT WOULD BE EASYER FOR EVERY1 TO FIND THERE ANSWERS

of cource you are going to win arguments if you reply with what you wanted me to say, rather than reading what i actually typed !

smug comments do not win argumets, especially when not backed up with anything..
 
Old 11-16-2003, 12:14 AM   #614
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basically what you are complaining about is the wasting of time and bandwidth. Or clogging up the server with questions that have been asked over and over......well....you have done the same thing because you are using up the bandwidth trying to win over your point of view!
 
Old 11-16-2003, 12:18 AM   #615
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Oh...and I keep wondering about your 386 posts. I'm sure that you spent many a hour thinking and searching before you put you hand to keys. Oh..wait some more..you registered in April of 2003....386 post in 7 months..I bet they were all important!
 
  


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