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Cinematography 05-11-2005 10:02 PM

Linux: By Experts - For Experts
 
One little mistake was all it took to make Linux explode. I accidentally uninstalled a KDE element. The computer rebooted to another GUI. I reinstalled that element through the package manager. I couldn't find a reboot button, so I just push the reset switch on my computer. Big mistake. This corrupted something. When Linux "fixed" the problem, my login screen came up with 20 or so different names in it, none of which I could log in to, not even the root one. What a stupid operating system. Is this how it would handle a power outage? I've never had this kind of a stupid problem with Windows. I've never had to use command line with it either. Why? Because, I'm sorry to say, Windows is a better programmed operating system that was not designed exclusively for computer experts. It may not have the best security, but it sure in the hell has everything else (software support, stability, disk fix tools that don't destroy the computer, etc.) Linux should come with a warning. "For experts! By experts!" It's too demanding of an operating system. I shouldn't have to work with an operating system. An operating system should work with me.

rksprst 05-11-2005 10:16 PM

You're simply going to start a flame war here, I don't see any point to your thread.. especially when you make statements like:
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Windows is a better programmed operating system that was not designed exclusively for computer experts
If you had a question about your problem you could post it in the appropriate section, and im sure lots of members would be happy to help

That said, I've been windows-free for about 6 months now, and I only have good things to say about linux. The good things definitely outweigh the bad IMHO

win32sux 05-11-2005 10:19 PM

it's very unlikely that your reboot and/or the fsck is what caused your login issue... it's way more probable that it was due to something you did when you were messing around with the package manager...

BTW, i am not an expert, in fact i'm a newbie by most accounts, and although i do agree that linux system administration is currently more suited for techies, it is BY NO MEANS only suited for experts...

personally, i haven't touched windows ever since i made the switch a few years ago, but i can understand how not everyone's experience will be the same... the linux migration experience is a as varied as people themselves...

Ace07 05-11-2005 10:21 PM

Fine then. We really don't want people with that attitude anyways. Linux is for computer users who want more from their computer. Clearly you don't want more from your computer if you aren't willing to learn anything new.

On a side note: I was at my friends house with my computer once, and his curcuits are really messed up. My computer was drawing too much power from the outlet, so I was losing voltage. My comp restarted about 5 times (right in the middle of booting up too) before I turned some of the cathodes off inside. After that, the thing worked fine. My suggestion: If you didn't like mandrake, simply find another distro. I started with mandrake, but it didn't suit my needs, so I switched to Fedora Core.

Cinematography 05-11-2005 10:36 PM

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Originally posted by rksprst
You're simply going to start a flame war here, I don't see any point to your thread.. especially when you make statements like:

If you had a question about your problem you could post it in the appropriate section, and im sure lots of members would be happy to help

That said, I've been windows-free for about 6 months now, and I only have good things to say about linux. The good things definitely outweigh the bad IMHO

You're probably right about the flame war part. Could someone close this thread? I don't want to start any crap. I just needed to vent my hate for the hell Linux has put me through over the last couple of weeks.

Cinematography 05-11-2005 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by win32sux
it's very unlikely that your reboot and/or the fsck is what caused your login issue... it's way more probable that it was due to something you did when you were messing around with the package manager...
It probably is. However, things that are important to the operation of Linux should be locked like they are in Windows. An accident shouldn't make the entire OS explode.

win32sux 05-11-2005 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by Cinematography
things that are important to the operation of Linux should be locked like they are in Windows.
in windows simply checking your email can make the entire OS explode - and it happens every day to thousands of windows machines - how's that for being locked down?? LOL...

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An accident shouldn't make the entire OS explode.
unless you are talking about a non-root account, you are completely mistaken...

in fact, i believe rule #1 of UNIX 101 goes something like:
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An accident made as root can cause the OS to explode.
in other words, it's in the book, it's part of the UNIX way, it's not a Linux thing...

if you don't want your gnu/linux to explode then don't use the root account unless you know exacty what you are doing... how much simpler can it be?? THAT'S what being locked-down is...


Cinematography 05-11-2005 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by win32sux
in windows simply checking your email can make the entire OS explode - and it happens every day to thousands of windows machines - how's that for being locked down??
That's a perfectly valid point, and was one of the reasons why I decided to try Linux for a 5th time now. Maybe the Macintosh is the OS for me. :D

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if you don't want your gnu/linux OS to explode then don't use the root account unless you know exacty what you are doing... how much simpler can it be?? no root, no explosion... :)
*hiss*

floppywhopper 05-11-2005 10:56 PM

My wife's computer runing Suse and Windows often has a problem with a video driver in Windows, and when it does, the whole system crashes and is a real mongrel to fix, ( usually scandisk, defrag & reload driver ) so .....

You're not trying to say Windows is a better OS are you ? because my experience says when windows or a programme on windows goes belly up the whole system goes down. And system files in windows are not locked and they can easily be corrupted, deleted etc. Usually an accident in windows does make the entire OS explode !

floppy

floppywhopper 05-11-2005 11:15 PM

In fact if you go to these two forums

http://www.computing.net/forums/

http://forums.neoplanet.co.uk/index.php?

you'll find plenty of people with plenty of windows problems and plenty of exploding OS's.
and there are many other windows forums

and if you are seriously thinking of moving to Mac
there are forums for that too !

and to be quite honest I dont think any OS will be too happy with you removing part of the GUI,

floppy

XavierP 05-12-2005 03:14 AM

As per the OPs request, I am closing this thread.


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