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Poll: LGBT adoption: may it be against the Human Rights of the Child?
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LGBT adoption: may it be against the Human Rights of the Child?

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Old 05-29-2013, 06:52 AM   #16
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All what was posted by the different members is only based on opinions. Not one member has cited a scientific study if there are serious implications for a child raised by same sex parents and if there are which implications these are.
Declaring something to be against the Human Rights solely based on your own opinion and not on facts is not something I would accept.
 
Old 05-29-2013, 08:18 AM   #17
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All what was posted by the different members is only based on opinions. Not one member has cited a scientific study if there are serious implications for a child raised by same sex parents and if there are which implications these are.
Declaring something to be against the Human Rights solely based on your own opinion and not on facts is not something I would accept.
Have there been any such studies ? Are they considered ethical ?
 
Old 05-29-2013, 08:19 AM   #18
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Meh... I don't know if I'd have liked having two moms or two dads, but abusive/violent/alcoholic/druggie parents are probably worse and no one seems to give a damn about them having their own kids, let alone adopting them.
That's not true, there exist organizations that will help them if the problem is detected.
 
Old 05-29-2013, 09:08 AM   #19
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Have there been any such studies ? Are they considered ethical ?
Obviously not, the actual effects won't be known for decades, as first it needs to be legalised and actually put into practice.
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That's not true, there exist organizations that will help them if the problem is detected.
A very big "if"...

I take those moralising about other people's children being adopted by gays/lesbians less seriously than those who are concerned by child soldiers, sweatshop workers, child sex trafficking, etc.

tl;dr: the world has much bigger problems than any supposed "moral disintegration" this may bring about. Children, worldwide, face much greater threats to their well-being than gay/lesbian adoption.
 
Old 05-29-2013, 10:01 AM   #20
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I'm a bit confused as to why those arguing against LGBT adoption are putting it as a choice between homosexual vs heterosexual parents. Is it not the case that there are more children to be adopted than parents who want to adopt? So isn't this a choice between homosexual parents and an orphanage?
 
Old 05-29-2013, 10:52 AM   #21
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Yeah, but I don't really want to take any chances.
You've been invited to state your opinion on the topic, and you have. No problem there. The above, however, saying that you won't vote in this anonymous poll because "you don't want to take any chances", really wasn't reasonable.

Last edited by dugan; 05-29-2013 at 11:22 AM. Reason: rephrased more diplomatically.
 
Old 05-29-2013, 03:49 PM   #22
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Meh... I don't know if I'd have liked having two moms or two dads, but abusive/violent/alcoholic/druggie parents are probably worse and no one seems to give a damn about them having their own kids, let alone adopting them.
what about if there are two dads + abusive/violent/alcoholic/druggie? It might be even worse.
Somehow, all cases can be possible.

What is the definition of the family?
 
Old 05-29-2013, 04:53 PM   #23
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The children don't seem to care, why should I?
 
Old 05-29-2013, 09:26 PM   #24
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And here I stop participating in this thread, otherwise I could be a bit harsher than allowed on this forum.
 
Old 05-29-2013, 10:30 PM   #25
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* The above, from the LQ Rules, is something we take *very* seriously. LQ is a place of inclusion and a place where all should feel welcome.
* This thread is being closed as it's not relevant to LQ and is clearly not something that can be discussed here rationally (and without negatively impacting the community).
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Old 05-30-2013, 02:22 PM   #26
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After some mod discussion I have removed one post from Soderlund and a post each from dugan and odiseo77 that quoted the first post. At this time we are re-opening the thread. While we are huge proponents of free speech here at LQ, all future posters should carefully read the LQ rules and keep in mind that LQ aims to foster a friendly and welcoming atmosphere. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me off-line (there is also a thread on the topic in LQS&F; all future posts to the thread should remain on topic). Do note that this thread will be watched very closely moving forward.

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Old 05-30-2013, 04:56 PM   #27
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While we are huge proponents of free speech here at LQ
I didn't see the "offending posts" but I'll bet, from the topic, that they did not agree with the way others want them to think, and therefore they have no free speech.
So, you have free speech as long as they agree with what you have to say. Or was it hate speech not allowed against one group that many find offensive but welcomed for other groups like Christians?
Not too many opinions being stated as fact in this thread
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...usness-600689/

I think that posts on LinuxQuestion.org should be restricted to Linux, Unix, IT, Programming, Software, News, Devices, Firewalls or even Microsoft, etc. There is enough to argue about in which distro, browser, encoder, email client is best. Then we won't post our political, religious opinions, and there won't be selective free speech.
 
Old 05-30-2013, 05:01 PM   #28
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I didn't see the "offending posts" but I'll bet, from the topic, that they did not agree with the way others want them to think, and therefore they have no free speech.
So, you have free speech as long as they agree with what you have to say. Or was it hate speech not allowed against one group that many find offensive but welcomed for other groups like Christians?
I'm not clear why you felt the need to comment when 1) you have no idea what the content of the removed posts were and 2) I explicitly asked for all future posts to be on topic. FWIW, the post had nothing to do with religion or the topic of this thread, not that it should matter.

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Then we won't post our political, religious opinions, and there won't be selective free speech.
There isn't.

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Old 05-30-2013, 10:06 PM   #29
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If religion was the basis for their opinion then it may have to be allowed in this very uncomfortable thread.

What is one's basis for human rights? Is it a biologic/genetic gift like animals born to know things? Is it a book that offers guidance on how to live? Is it some law or treaty or custom that tells one how to define a human right?
 
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I'm not clear why you felt the need to comment when 1) you have no idea what the content of the removed posts were and 2) I explicitly asked for all future posts to be on topic. FWIW, the post had nothing to do with religion or the topic of this thread, not that it should matter.



There isn't.

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Please keep Clean guys in the thread. Respect is very important in my opinion, and also for Jeremy.

This topic may be relevant for the society, which changes, evolves, ... we are all concerned.

On this Linux board, more or less, but Jeremy is very nice to let us exchange (cleanly and in respect of the rules and other rights)

Thanks all
 
  


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