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Xeratul 05-27-2013 07:42 PM

LGBT adoption: may it be against the Human Rights of the Child? [ Poll ]
 
Hi,

Just a Poll to listen (record) your opinion.

Gay world and marriage:
http://bondmag.net/LGBT/gayworld.php

I am kinda sure that the fact that gay parents (probably married)
allowed by the country to adopt is against the human rights.

Naturally, a child is born from the Love of a woman and man.

So here is a Poll, just simply vote what is in your opinion.
It helps to track what is your opinion about this issue with adoption,
which might have been subject of discussion quite recently.

Polling 3...2...1... !

Regards

odiseo77 05-27-2013 07:50 PM

How come is it against human rights? :? Would you prefer an orphan/abandoned child to be left alone? That would be against his/her rights to receive proper care.

H_TeXMeX_H 05-28-2013 06:14 AM

Sorry, I'm not gonna vote. This topic is far too controversial, even for me.

It doesn't really matter what I think anyway, how is it gonna change anything ? The ones that rule decide, and that's that. You can only change it if you have their power. The only problem is, when you put on the ring, you become them or their wraiths.

dugan 05-28-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by H_TeXMeX_H (Post 4960470)
Sorry, I'm not gonna vote. This topic is far too controversial, even for me.

The votes are anonymous.

And I'm not expecting this to be controversial because the scope of the poll is so narrow. It's specifically "Does being adopted by a gay couple violates a child's human rights", not "should gay couples be allowed to adopt".

H_TeXMeX_H 05-28-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dugan (Post 4960643)
The votes are anonymous.

Yeah, but I don't really want to take any chances.

As for the issue, all I will say is that I'm absolutely sure that having gay or lesbian parents will impact a child in many ways (social, psychological, etc.).

To be honest, the issue boggles my mind. I mean, marriage is typically a religious and perhaps political ritual. I think it is obvious that gays and lesbians want marriage legalized for them so they can get the same benefits and attempt to be accepted.

However, in the past, homosexuality was characterized as a paraphilia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraphillia#Homosexuality

So, I'm wondering, if they have made this normal and legal ... what's next ? I think I know ...

Can you imagine yourself and your life if you had gay or lesbian parents. I think things would be very different, and it would be far harder to operate in society. I guess they will try to integrate this enough in education that everyone will be ok with it in theory at lest (and I can see that they are integrating it). I wonder if it will actually work tho. I'm sure many people are secretly racist or sexist or at least biased...

I also wonder what most people actually think. In my school years absolutely everyone was very anti-gay. In fact anyone who was a bit abnormal (like myself :)) was considered "gay" and hated. I am very much against the hating, but I wonder if it is a move in the right direction. I wonder if psychotherapy would not have helped some of them... I wonder if adopted kids will need psychotherapy.

There is one thing I certainly don't like about all of this, which is that gays and lesbians like to flaunt their status. I find this a sign of psychiatric problems. If they were content with the way they were, why do they need to flaunt, to show off ?

I can't make up my mind on the subject just yet, and I'm not sure I will ever vote or state a certain position on these issues. I just hope that nobody is harmed in the process or denied help.

I am also waiting to see where things go from here, then I will have a better idea of what to think. It's like a game of chess that has just begun. I can't really tell what is going to happen yet.

Soderlund 05-28-2013 12:27 PM

Of course children have the right to a normal childhood. Mine was very happy. I think I would've been screwed up if I grew up with two fathers or two mothers, or whatever is in included in "LGBT". You need male and female role models.

It's important that we dare to speak out against this cultural Marxism that aims to destroy western society. We shouldn't be quiet about it just because it's politically incorrect -- then you are being bossed around by people telling you what to think. Make up your own mind instead: would you REALLY have wanted to grow up with homosexual parents?

[Note that the intention of this is not to bash gays or preach hatred. I hope I am allowed to voice a dissenting opinion on the subject without violating the LQ rules.]

dugan 05-28-2013 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Soderlund (Post 4960680)
You need male and female role models.

Are you familiar with the obvious counterargument to this, which is to point out that it applies equally to single parent households?

teckk 05-28-2013 01:04 PM

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It's important that we dare to speak out against this cultural Marxism that aims to destroy western society
Too late. I believe that we're past that point.
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We shouldn't be quiet about it
We haven't been. Old saying, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Of course the horse will die of dehydration in a few days. Once to horse is dead then it's too late to drink.

Xeratul 05-28-2013 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Soderlund (Post 4960680)
Of course children have the right to a normal childhood. Mine was very happy.

I think so too.

Soderlund 05-28-2013 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dugan (Post 4960684)
Are you familiar with the obvious counterargument to this, which is to point out that it applies equally to single parent households?

At least it will be a single heterosexual parent, which in my opinion is better than two homosexuals.

I agree that there shouldn't be so many broken families though. When you get kids, both parents have obligations, and splitting up because they're tired of the relationship is selfish and immature. That behavior, too, is hailed by the modern trash culture.

Xeratul: Preserving our people and culture is in your interest as well. I am not your enemy.

Xeratul 05-29-2013 12:33 AM

In my opinion, in the development of child, he/she needs his/her mother + his/her father.

Both parents bring different things: love, values, ... to be equilibrated (<-- more or less, and it isnt easy already).

Soderlund 05-29-2013 12:49 AM

Ah, I misunderstood. Apologies. I totally agree with you.

H_TeXMeX_H 05-29-2013 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soderlund (Post 4960680)
It's important that we dare to speak out against this cultural Marxism that aims to destroy western society. We shouldn't be quiet about it just because it's politically incorrect -- then you are being bossed around by people telling you what to think. Make up your own mind instead: would you REALLY have wanted to grow up with homosexual parents?

The question is whether it will really make a difference, to speak out. It's true that if people are silent and don't stand up, others will rule over then and do as they please with them. But then, if you are not silent and do stand up, you will be hammered down.

So, I have to ask myself, do I care enough about society to take the risk ? Do I think there is even a chance of changing anything ? Or do I just let then jump without warning them ?

Me being highly paranoid, I am convinced that there is little I can do to change things, and it just isn't worth the risk. I think hell is not far off now, and that it is too late. All I can hope is that I can escape hell, before the gates close me in.

Yeah, I guess I'm a coward, and they have broken my mind and my will.

cynwulf 05-29-2013 03:47 AM

Meh... I don't know if I'd have liked having two moms or two dads, but abusive/violent/alcoholic/druggie parents are probably worse and no one seems to give a damn about them having their own kids, let alone adopting them.

Captain Pinkeye 05-29-2013 05:10 AM

You mean these rights?
Only point 10 is somewhat relevant:
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The child shall be protected from practices which may foster racial, religious and any other form of discrimination. He shall be brought up in a spirit of understanding, tolerance, friendship among peoples, peace and universal brotherhood, and in full consciousness that his energy and talents should be devoted to the service of his fellow men.
So, the declaration wise, i don't think there is a problem.

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Originally Posted by Xeratul (Post 4960177)
Naturally, a child is born from the Love of a woman and man.

Might be, but the declaration says nothing about any naturalities.

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Originally Posted by Soderlund (Post 4960680)
It's important that we dare to speak out against this cultural Marxism that aims to destroy western society.

Well actually this gay marriage idea stems from postmodernism, and postmodernism is cultural "brother" of neoliberalism, so it is very western-society.

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Originally Posted by dugan (Post 4960684)
Are you familiar with the obvious counterargument to this, which is to point out that it applies equally to single parent households?

I personally think that single parent households still maintain the traditional male/female roles in some way. Even if one role is missing, you can define it partially by this "missing". No male playing mother there.

Personally, i don't think i'm approving it, since it it too big cultural change to treat carelessly, in some "Hooray future!" systemd way, and there is no real way to revert the approval if it shows wrong.


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