LinuxQuestions.org
Review your favorite Linux distribution.
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Non-*NIX Forums > General
User Name
Password
General This forum is for non-technical general discussion which can include both Linux and non-Linux topics. Have fun!

Notices

Reply
 
Search this Thread
Old 04-03-2014, 11:40 AM   #1
PClinuxOS
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Mar 2014
Posts: 15

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Leo Laporte says linux is not for average users


Leo Laporte of the Twit podcast says linux is NOT for the average user. In this short excerpt of the video, Leo gives kudos to linux popularity and it usages from internet servers to android phones and etc.

In the time of 4:15, Leo then downplays linux saying it is for computer enthusiasts and NOT for average users. In FACT, he says if you want to send email, do web surfing, shop at amazon, use windows, Mac and chromebooks but not linux unless you're a computer enthusiasts.

What Leo doesn't mentioned is he followed commands from an IRC channel to purge the unity desktop, then install the zubuntu desktop and then do a dist-upgrade.

And by his own mistake of not knowing any better, he took this experience with ubuntu and generalized linux as a whole as NOT suited for beginners.

The folks at Linux Unplug explains Leo's dilemma in this video podcast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujiQtDOaJfc

The discussion of Leo's dilemma starts at 27:45 into the video.

Last edited by PClinuxOS; 04-03-2014 at 11:42 AM.
 
Old 04-03-2014, 07:46 PM   #2
sundialsvcs
Guru
 
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: SE Tennessee, USA
Distribution: Gentoo, LFS
Posts: 5,278

Rep: Reputation: 1088Reputation: 1088Reputation: 1088Reputation: 1088Reputation: 1088Reputation: 1088Reputation: 1088Reputation: 1088
Dunno ... did he consider, "Android?"
 
Old 04-03-2014, 11:43 PM   #3
dugan
Senior Member
 
Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Canada
Distribution: distro hopper
Posts: 4,572

Rep: Reputation: 1394Reputation: 1394Reputation: 1394Reputation: 1394Reputation: 1394Reputation: 1394Reputation: 1394Reputation: 1394Reputation: 1394Reputation: 1394
It kinda depends on what you mean by "the average user". Typically, it's a nicer way to say "the lowest common denominator", and if that's the case, I'd argue that Mint, Ubuntu and similar distributions are fine for that.

I should point out that in Windows land, people who play triple-A PC games don't count as "average" anymore. So anyone who says "Linux isn't for average users because it doesn't have as many triple-A games!" needs to define the word "average."

Last edited by dugan; 04-04-2014 at 12:55 AM.
 
Old 04-04-2014, 12:27 AM   #4
kooru
Senior Member
 
Registered: Sep 2012
Location: Italy
Distribution: Slackware, NetBSD
Posts: 1,264
Blog Entries: 5

Rep: Reputation: 259Reputation: 259Reputation: 259
If average user = facebook + twitter + selfie, then he's right.
 
Old 04-04-2014, 12:48 AM   #5
descendant_command
Member
 
Registered: Mar 2012
Posts: 758

Rep: Reputation: 159Reputation: 159
You also have to define the "Linux" in the "Linux isn't..."

If you mean that they will be unable to install and configure it, then Windows isn't for "the average user" either.

If you are simply talking about USING the system (for facebook, twitter and selfies), then I would argue that most distro's would beat windows easily ("why is my pc so slow and says I have threats and I need to pay to see my files ever again?").
 
Old 04-04-2014, 09:10 AM   #6
sundialsvcs
Guru
 
Registered: Feb 2004
Location: SE Tennessee, USA
Distribution: Gentoo, LFS
Posts: 5,278

Rep: Reputation: 1088Reputation: 1088Reputation: 1088Reputation: 1088Reputation: 1088Reputation: 1088Reputation: 1088Reputation: 1088
And, isn't that really what people want to do with their computers?

In the early days of automobiles, you brought a mechanic and a picnic-lunch with you. Today, people drive cars for 100,000 miles having not changed the oil even once.

What Leo is saying is, I think, basically right ... but mainly because Linux isn't packaged for "consumer" use except in the case of the Android OS. But there are two more cases where its close-relative, Unix, is packaged in just that way: iOS and OS/X. And, thus packaged, used by millions of people who don't know a thing about Unix/Linux ... and emphatically don't want to [have to]. (And they don't "have to.")

Thus packaged, Linux and Unix are wildly successful. Basically: "W3 PWN U D00D!" Yes, that successful . . .

Microsoft made two terrible, terrible mistakes in the consumer electronics market. (1) They paid no attention to the hardware that ran their system ... licensing it, as Steve Jobs (RIP) put it, "promiscuously." And, (2) they disabled the intended-to-be powerful security of their system in order to enrich Peter Norton, MacAfee & Co. By doing this, however, they ruined the long-term viability of their flagship brand, "Windows," and trapped it on the desktop even as the consumer-electronics market (and much of the office-electronics market, as well), went portable. Yes, they briefly owned the game that they knew how to play, but they completely missed-it that the game had changed forever. In a supreme twist of irony, Linux (Android) and Unix (OS/X, iOS), both open-source at their core, walked away with the victory unmolested.

Last edited by sundialsvcs; 04-04-2014 at 09:12 AM.
 
Old 04-04-2014, 10:36 AM   #7
PClinuxOS
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Mar 2014
Posts: 15

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: Disabled
I don't think Leo is bias on linux because he had linux and even BSD discussions on his early screensaver tv episodes. Leo is more of a Mac/iphone user mostly and he probably dabbles with linux very little.

Thanks for the replies from everyone

Last edited by PClinuxOS; 04-04-2014 at 10:40 AM.
 
Old 04-04-2014, 01:08 PM   #8
jlinkels
Senior Member
 
Registered: Oct 2003
Location: Bonaire
Distribution: Debian Lenny/Squeeze/Wheezy/Sid
Posts: 4,053

Rep: Reputation: 484Reputation: 484Reputation: 484Reputation: 484Reputation: 484
I ordered a netbook for my sweetheart which came with Ubuntu installed (oh well...). When it arrived I was abroad.

She unpacked it, activated the WiFi and was browsing, emailing, skypeing and facebooking in a matter of minutes.

My wife is a complete computer illiterate, so I would say she matches the average user. To her Unity is exactly as confusing as Windows 7.

So where is the problem?

jlinkels
 
Old 04-05-2014, 06:32 PM   #9
Spect73
Member
 
Registered: Aug 2013
Distribution: Slackware 14.1
Posts: 128

Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Hmmm... considering his experience, I would say the 'Smartphone' is not for the average user.
 
Old 04-05-2014, 08:23 PM   #10
jefro
Guru
 
Registered: Mar 2008
Posts: 11,146

Rep: Reputation: 1364Reputation: 1364Reputation: 1364Reputation: 1364Reputation: 1364Reputation: 1364Reputation: 1364Reputation: 1364Reputation: 1364Reputation: 1364
So what??? Fred Flintstone said Yabba Dabba Doooo!
 
Old 04-06-2014, 04:12 PM   #11
Germany_chris
Member
 
Registered: Jun 2011
Location: Stuttgart, Germany
Distribution: Arch
Posts: 444

Rep: Reputation: 160Reputation: 160
I am an average user and use Linux..
 
Old 04-06-2014, 04:28 PM   #12
rokytnji
Senior Member
 
Registered: Mar 2008
Location: Waaaaay out West Texas
Distribution: AntiX 13 , Various Puppys (MacPup,Slack0),MX-14
Posts: 2,503
Blog Entries: 16

Rep: Reputation: 794Reputation: 794Reputation: 794Reputation: 794Reputation: 794Reputation: 794Reputation: 794
Quote:
Leo Laporte says linux is not for average users
Down South we say "Fsck you and the horse you rode in on"
 
Old 04-07-2014, 10:56 AM   #13
PClinuxOS
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Mar 2014
Posts: 15

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: Disabled
If Leo had trouble using ubuntu, he would probably keel over trying too use arch, slackware and gentoo.
 
Old 04-18-2014, 03:06 PM   #14
dugan
Senior Member
 
Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Canada
Distribution: distro hopper
Posts: 4,572

Rep: Reputation: 1394Reputation: 1394Reputation: 1394Reputation: 1394Reputation: 1394Reputation: 1394Reputation: 1394Reputation: 1394Reputation: 1394Reputation: 1394
These days, a desktop or laptop running Windows isn't for the average user either.
 
Old 04-18-2014, 03:21 PM   #15
PClinuxOS
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: Mar 2014
Posts: 15

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: Disabled
Quote:
Originally Posted by dugan View Post
These days, a desktop or laptop running Windows isn't for the average user either.
Your post has a certain merit to that fact. I remember the cries of frustrated windows users "Where is the Start button???!!!"

 
  


Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Configuring Gnome3/Unity and average users miguelg Ubuntu 3 03-23-2013 10:08 PM
LXer: On the Topics of Software, Average Users and User Friendliness LXer Syndicated Linux News 0 01-25-2012 09:20 AM
Average Age of Internet Users entz General 22 02-24-2009 04:43 PM
why TWiT by Leo Laporte has no linux pod cast? mivison Linux - General 1 04-28-2008 12:23 PM
kernel-2.6 compiling not for average users demmylls Linux - General 11 01-26-2004 01:59 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:08 PM.

Main Menu
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
identi.ca: @linuxquestions
Facebook: linuxquestions Google+: linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration