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Old 07-24-2003, 11:00 PM   #1
watashiwaotaku7
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learning html and website building


what is your opinion on the best way that i can learn(free) to make good webpages is it necessary to be well versed in html? and what is the best program for creating pages in?
 
Old 07-25-2003, 12:40 AM   #2
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i think there is a wealth of information about on the web for free. but i do say this: hand code your pages, thats the best way to get good experience. you dont need no stinking software.
 
Old 07-25-2003, 03:58 AM   #3
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Yes I agree,

code by hand. Learn html. It is the only way to be a 'good' web designer.

All those wysiwyg editers create bunk bloated code that kills browsers.

Learn about standards-compliant xhtml and css... check out www.w3c.org

A simple google search for html tutorials should provide you with enough to keep you busy for months.
 
Old 07-25-2003, 06:13 AM   #4
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yeah: Html rocks. It was my first programing langauge.

All ways do the hand-edit thing. when you use a *what-you-see-is-what-you-get* editor, it can add code, mess things up etc etc.

there are a bunch of html tutorials online, or if you want to buy a book, I would reccomend that you buy "SAMS teach yourself HTML and XHTML in 24 hours".
Try to get an up-to-date tutorial, so that your code is compatible with the ever-improving standard. (currently[?] HTML 4/XHTML 1

Editors: use notepad/simpletext/gedit/*other text editor* to edit your code: make sure it is a good home grown text editor, nothing like MS word otherwise it will try to add things you don't want.
Advanced editors: For linux, I use and like QuantaPlus. on windows I like Html-kit from Chami.
remember: you can allways use a plain text editor and the code will turn out the same.

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Old 07-25-2003, 06:21 AM   #5
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I've never used it (I prefer Quanta-Plus as mentioned above if I don't hand roll it) but another option is BlueFish.

I'd also like to add that building by hand for the first page would be good, but after that something like quanta to ease the amount of arthritis you'll be getting wouldn't hurt

Basically, learn it first, then cheat

Cool
 
Old 07-25-2003, 06:30 AM   #6
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ohayou otaku-san (^^)

mh, i agree to the others... don't use a "WYSIWYG"-Editor... I tried a few ones (... because there are some days when you are to lazy to code your own HTML-Code and... yeh... blah blah) but last but not least I return to my normal Editor because the pages need to take a long time to load if you build it in a WYSIWYG-Editor....

hmm... If you speak german I can recommend http://selfhtml.teamone.de/ ... its a well made page with everything about HTML... at least I've got there a answer for every question I had yet...

But if you understand the fundamental principles about HTML, you can learn the other stuff by yourself easily...~


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Old 07-25-2003, 06:37 AM   #7
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A great place to learn (X)HTML, CSS ... is www.w3schools.com/
If you follow their instructions the code will actually be standard-compliant.
 
Old 07-27-2003, 04:09 PM   #8
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thanks a lot everyone, if i ever do get a page going ill post it here and see what everyone thinks
 
Old 07-27-2003, 04:19 PM   #9
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Definately learn CSS, especially for formatting as can save oodles of bandwidth versus using tables for layout. Check out this page for some great stuff on CSS and some good linkage as well.

As for editors - I like just hand-crafting my html, and Quanta+ does have some nice auto-complete stuff that makes life a little easier. You don't have to use the WYSIWIG or buttons for that matter, but having a buch of your pages loaded into a tabbed format as well as integration with tools like weblint helps.

Last edited by mcleodnine; 07-27-2003 at 04:31 PM.
 
Old 07-27-2003, 04:28 PM   #10
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I agree with you all. Do it by hand in the beginning. Also, check out http://www.htmlgoodies.com

That is the best place for newbies. The guy who maintains that page also wrote a good book by the same name. Buy it, check the website, and you'll be off to the races. That's how I started!

Chris
 
Old 07-27-2003, 04:37 PM   #11
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True....Do it by hand to learn HTML.

After that, you will find no better piece of software than Dreamweaver MX or Dreamweaver 4.0 from Macromedia!

I have Studio MX. It rox! It does not put a load of crappy code into the page!

You're all thinking of Frontpage!

Dreamweaver is number one.
 
Old 07-27-2003, 04:49 PM   #12
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hey this is a good point to moan abuot frontpage again....

me and another guy (who is technically in charge) are doing work with ASP. I hand code EVERYTHING, while he frontpages EVERYTHING. This guy doens't have a clue what CSS is, and his code is obviously flooded with <font>'s all sorts of nasty hard coded crap that he doesn't understand.... I mightn't be writing 100% strict XHTML 4.0 but at least mine doesn't make you laugh when you loko at the source...

and he's the one that people think is clever... argh...
 
Old 07-27-2003, 05:01 PM   #13
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Acid...

You know why? Cause nobody cares anymore about how code looks.

That totally sucks! BIg TIme! But it is becoming that way all over.

It is whoever the company can get in to do it fastest and cheapest. It don't matter if the code is "right" or if it has a crapload of unneeded tags in it.

If it works......they think he is just as good as you!
 
Old 07-27-2003, 05:03 PM   #14
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that's the point it DOESN'T work. you can not change it ever without manually changing every single line. nevermind...
 
Old 07-27-2003, 05:14 PM   #15
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Companies care if the amount of data transfer is twice the size it needs to be when they pay a per unit charge for bandwidth. Add to this the ease of maintenance and wholesale changes to layout offered by CSS.
 
  


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