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Old 11-13-2013, 09:37 PM   #1
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Ladies and gentlemen, a rant about free thought and communication of ideas


When the Internet was first created, it looked like it could well be a platform for world revolution. It was a decentralized, uncensored platform for anyone with a modem to spread thoughts, ideas, theories, news, or information of any kind. It was essentially a salon for the modern age.

Now we know we're being spied on. Certainly by the US government and corporations, and likely by any number of other governmnents and entities. The Common Man now realizes that what could very well have been a platform for the 'crowdsourced' betterment of humanity is now Big Brother on a massive scale. I know of many people who censored themselves from expressing some thought due to the knowledge that whatever they typed would be recorded and analyzed by entities that would not neccesarily take their opinion in the highest regard.

I do believe that there are limits to free speech - animal cruelty, especially, falls foul of my 'line in the sand' - but I believe that in order for any society to flourish the populus needs to feel that they can freely exchange ideas and information.

The NSA leaks have shown us something many have suspected for a very long time: corporations-governments-faceless entities are afraid of what Humanity is capable of. They know that if they stop spying on us that there is a very real possibility that we will come together and stop the injustices they have been perpetrating for so long.

I am very, very close to stashing my laptop under my bed and writing things I want to do online in the notebook I carry everywhere, and then - once a week - going to a coffeeshop or somewhere else with a public Internet connection to do them. My 'needs' are basic - email, perhaps some perusing of various discussion forums. I do not use social networking services.

I have nothing to hide from the government. I do not consider myself right-leaning politically; in fact, I believe that government does have many positive attributes. That being said, I believe that the various three-letter agencies and corporations have gone too far. Enough is enough.
 
Old 11-13-2013, 09:46 PM   #2
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Well since the internet in my country is under the federal postal inspector a division of the FBI. I knew from the moment it would start it was about
the collection of data. This is not new and was developed this way to let people actually pay for this type of service.
I don't agree with it but the truth is we paid for it and we voted in the people in the senate to do this. it is a federal thing in my country and we just need to recall our Senators. When have you ever seen that happen a recall on a Senator.
well.
In my country we hired the people to do this. I would like to fire them now.

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Old 11-13-2013, 10:38 PM   #3
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Youtube comments would indicate that self censorship is not being exercised nearly enough.

That said, here's a relevant comic:

http://tapastic.com/episode/8992

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Old 11-13-2013, 11:35 PM   #4
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Arrow Grate links here songbird and everybody; thanks.

A few steps back or an end, watch the numbers climb? Attachment 13959 Now way off curse: my wonder, is marijuana illegal in my neck of the woods because they can't breathalyzer it?(\Apologetically.) Disseminated empathy and sentiment.

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Old 11-14-2013, 12:22 AM   #5
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When the Internet was first created ... It was a decentralized, uncensored platform for anyone with a modem to spread thoughts, ideas, theories, news, or information of any kind.
It was also created by the American military. That should have been a clue as to the internet's potential for more than basic communication.
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Now we know we're being spied on.
The NSA leaks have shown us something many have suspected for a very long time
That knowledge was never a secret. The American government's monitoring of world-wide telephone calls has been public knowledge for 30 or 35 years. The masses of people chose to be blissfully ignorant by ignoring or believing such things actually do not happen. It is astounding how quite a few people are suddenly "surprised" and concerned over activities they should have been aware of for a long time. So much for the idea of the internet being a source of information. The information was available, but people used the internet every day without "discovering" it.
 
Old 11-14-2013, 12:36 AM   #6
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Future governments can use this information to bad intent.

Look at the Nazis. First they did couple of censuses, then they knew where all the Jews lived.. etc.
 
Old 11-14-2013, 09:00 AM   #7
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It was also created by the American military. That should have been a clue as to the internet's potential for more than basic communication.
Created by universities (for study) and electronics labs used by the military.
 
Old 11-14-2013, 09:23 AM   #8
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If you do go to a coffee shop, remember to smile for the security-cameras in the lobby. Anywhere there is "public" access to the Internet, you'll observe that there is always a camera watching the crowd, and identifying the faces.

My main objection to this, is actually that #CLASSIFIED# of dollars are being spent, altogether in #CLASSIFIED#, such that if you even speak the name of the program ... even acknowledge its existence ... you'll be sent to prison for 120 years if they can catch you. Thus, there is no public oversight of how this money is being spent. Even the majority of the Members of Congress "don't have sufficient clearance." (Go figure.)

If you watch how the US Government is behaving these days with regards to money, though, you can plainly see the effect of a very-ravenous cancer ... of severe anemia. We "can't afford" to take care of our sick, "can't afford" to keep our public highway bridges from literally falling into a river at rush-hour due to lack of maintenance, have to "sequester away" programs (so that no one in Congress has to face the political heat of killing it), and so on. Yet we can afford to engage in endless wars, and now, endless surveillance. Military contractors (who now approve their own security clearances ...) are thereby selling #CLASSIFIED# numbers of disk-drives, CAT-5 cables, power supplies, toasters, coffee mugs, not to mention the really-expensive stuff like #CLASSIFIED#, #CLASSIFIED#, or #CLASSIFIED# ...

If the cat's #CLASSIFIED#, the mice will $$play,$$ and human greed will do the rest. This is not "a prudent use of public funds." Furthermore, it actually represents a threat to "national security," which (like all security) is "a process, not a product." Knowledge is Power, but there's no checks here, no balances, no controls. And, no end to the money.

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Old 11-14-2013, 12:59 PM   #9
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Lets get a sense of proportion here (unlikely, I know). Governments can collect data, but can they process it? If they collected every email sent in a country, how could these get read unless half the population were recruited to do the job?

What's important for security is a list of who communicates with whom. If you discover that Abdul Aljihadi is a terrorist, it's very handy to be able to say "let's see whom he's been writing to over the last six months."

As one who lives in a city that's been frequently targeted, and who was just 15 minutes too late to get blown up on one occasion, I naturally feel that the more terrorists they track the better. I understand that those who live in the Great American Flyover may feel differently: no-one will target their home-town (who's heard of it?) and anyone who's not called Bud and doesn't belong to the First Ranting Baptists will stick out like a sore thumb anyway.
 
Old 11-14-2013, 01:36 PM   #10
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"Freedom" like proportion and empathy ain't easy bud, just try running Blag; K1 worldwide also unlikely!

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Old 11-14-2013, 02:56 PM   #11
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I aint worried.

http://www.publications.parliament.u....htm#pt3-l1g36

The Police State has already arrived. First one section of the world passes a no smoking law. Then every one else jumps
on the idea and runs with it.


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Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Bill (HC Bill 7)
Covers a lot of turf it does. I am glad I live in the boon docks. Seems like it is a crime now to be annoying or a nuisance
in a so called Democratic Society now. Ouch. Subject to personal interpretation by the powers that be of course.

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Lets get a sense of proportion here (unlikely, I know). Governments can collect data, but can they process it? If they collected every email sent in a country, how could these get read unless half the population were recruited to do the job?
Wellllllll, http://static5.businessinsider.com/i...2411996867.jpg


And only 2 Billion Dollars.

Not counting the other NSA bases like in San Antonio.

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That machine, the Titan Supercomputer, is capable of churning through more than 20,000 trillion calculations each second or 20 petaflops. (1 petaflop = 1 quadrillion instructions per second).
Like I even know what that means. Ignorance is bliss in my case.
 
Old 11-14-2013, 04:50 PM   #12
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I'd tend to worry more about security that could affect me directly and more than "freedom" as I'm not a killer. As Linux users we should all know security should be up to the individual. mOYKHFL70dt0j1TGcUy9DSwK/agH+rS5KbGIXZ65ahxVpvDGld8YjMgVZItox1vPKCSJDZg/dN+sP3skvmomkg==

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Old 11-16-2013, 08:19 PM   #13
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I aint worried.

http://www.publications.parliament.u....htm#pt3-l1g36

The Police State has already arrived. First one section of the world passes a no smoking law. Then every one else jumps
on the idea and runs with it.




Covers a lot of turf it does. I am glad I live in the boon docks. Seems like it is a crime now to be annoying or a nuisance
in a so called Democratic Society now. Ouch. Subject to personal interpretation by the powers that be of course.



Wellllllll, http://static5.businessinsider.com/i...2411996867.jpg


And only 2 Billion Dollars.

Not counting the other NSA bases like in San Antonio.



Like I even know what that means. Ignorance is bliss in my case.

Cute cartoon. Perhaps a little Pogo here: "We have met the enemy and he is us". All puns intended.

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