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Old 10-05-2005, 09:42 AM   #1
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Keyloggers installed on all new laptops!


http://infowars.com/articles/bb/gov_...ke_loggers.htm
 
Old 10-05-2005, 11:02 AM   #2
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Quick! Say something REALLY funny so I can give you a tinfoil hat!
 
Old 10-05-2005, 12:54 PM   #3
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So where is the code they slipped into iptables, netstat, tcpdump, ect. so I couldn't see this supposive eithernet traffic?

Not to mention how useless keylogging can be when you don't have the context of which something was typed in.

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Old 10-05-2005, 01:16 PM   #4
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This popped up before and its relatively old news and it was proven to be false on more then several occasions
 
Old 10-05-2005, 03:47 PM   #5
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A memory-chip and an APIC? Nope, that's not a keylogger.

The problem is not, and has never been, collecting information. The problem is what to do with it... and being able to actually do something useful with it, quickly enough to be useful. The objective of an intelligence organization is to tell you today what the enemy is going to do tomorrow. Collecting mountains of information isn't going to do that. Secretly installing keystroke-loggers into a laptop isn't going to do that either. Ditto cell-phones, RFID tags or anything else. All that this can do is to give you yet another massive data-feed. Yet another reason for disk-drive salesmen to be happy.

I am given to understand that there are over 8,000 hours' worth of wiretap recordings that the FBI has yet to review. Whether this story is true or false, it is plausible. 333 man-days to collect it, then 333 more man-days to transcribe it, and then ... then what? Lots of very expensive information, old information.

In my humble who-cares, any "new centralized bureaucracy" isn't going to work. The homeland-security agency is simply yet-another Federal Agency in a long list... the OSS, the CIA, the NSA, and CENSORED other black-sheep organizations. It's yet-another attempt to tie together all these intelligence feeds centralized, at the top, when an enemy such as a terrorist probably requires government action that works like they do ... decentralized, from the bottom-up.

If the earlier organizations failed at their mission, logic says that in time this one will too. But today, things are different. And what is the difference? The Internet. Ubiquitous, fast, plentiful, and emminently de-centralized. Put that into the hands of local officials. Give them the means to collaborate.

The local sheriffs, the beat-policemen, the private investigators ... these people know what is happening in their communities. They know how to fight crime, even massive crimes like flinging aircraft into buildings. Give them the means to securely communicate among themselves. Give them "wiki"-like capability (hell, just use Wiki!) to draw their own threads among disparate bits of data and to share those threads with colleagues. When someone in Podunk notices that someone has just purchased a thousand pounds of ammonium nitrate, he should not have to "figure out" who to call in order to get that information noticed. When someone notices that middle-eastern folks are taking flying lessons but don't seem to want to know how to land the airplane, provide a pathway for that information... not "straight to the top," but "straight to the everyone-at-once." Securely, of course.

This is the strategy of "ten thousand eyes" ... vigilance. You are relying upon the tens of thousands of existing law-enforcement officials who are already out there, instead of trying to supplant them with one bureaucratic organization that's supposed to dole-out "intelligence." It didn't work well in WW2, which is why Douglas MacArthur insisted upon getting his own feeds of ULTRA intelligence directly within his own command theatre, and he defied even the President to get it.

The "terror cell" strategy assumes that the opponent has a big, centralized organization that tries to work like a funnel in reverse, slurping up all of this information and channeling it to one guy at the top who's supposed to make the decision. Since the various cells are small and do not even know about each others' existence, the information that would lead to them is much too scarce to be noticed if a centralized bureaucracy is used. So the cells appear to be able to strike at-will, and the bureaucrats, desperate to be seen doing something, tell us to buy duct-tape.

What your centralized agency focuses on doing is providing the secure means to communicate, search, and share that information... not up, but rather across. And I think that existing Web technologies could be used to do that. Hell, the Internet itself could be the backbone of communications, with a tie into the existing classified-grade networks as needed. Per contra, what Washington seems to be trying to do is to secretly requisition a download of all the sales receipts from every farm-supply store in the country ... dump it into SAS and try to make the connection. They keep all of this activity 'secret' probably so that no one who knows better will be caught laughing their asses off.

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Old 10-05-2005, 10:01 PM   #6
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Judging by the links and ads on the site - I'd wager it was just this person's laptop with keylogger 'feature'.
 
Old 10-06-2005, 12:03 AM   #7
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LMAO
 
Old 10-06-2005, 12:34 AM   #8
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Quote:
Originally posted by mcleodnine
Judging by the links and ads on the site - I'd wager it was just this person's laptop with keylogger 'feature'.
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Old 10-06-2005, 08:59 AM   #9
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Reading the other stuff on this website its just a big conspiracy theory website. I dissassembelled my laptop that I just got and *gasp* there is no keylogger. I think this is full of BS and I agree with mcleodnine.
 
Old 10-06-2005, 09:11 AM   #10
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haha! I use software dvorak, eat my gibberish!
jaja! G f;d ;syk,aod h.soavw dak mt ufnndog;j!

see? that'll make me obscure enough for a moment I'm sure, not to mention that these things really aren't in laptops and that site is full of nutjobs.
 
Old 10-06-2005, 10:32 AM   #11
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Quote:
Originally posted by stabile007
Reading the other stuff on this website its just a big conspiracy theory website. I dissassembelled my laptop that I just got and *gasp* there is no keylogger. I think this is full of BS and I agree with mcleodnine.
Simple fool... ... the RFID tag-chip secretly built into the WARRANTY VOID IF THIS TAG IS REMOVED tag has transmitted your exact location to a secret sattelite orbiting around the planet Venus! Mere moments from now, a black-painted SUV full of Vesuvians will be pulling up in your driveway ... They're Coming To Take You Away, Ha-Ha!

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Old 10-06-2005, 02:06 PM   #12
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Originally posted by sundialsvcs
Simple fool... ... the RFID tag-chip secretly built into the WARRANTY VOID IF THIS TAG IS REMOVED tag has transmitted your exact location to a secret sattelite orbiting around the planet Venus! Mere moments from now, a black-painted SUV full of Vesuvians will be pulling up in your driveway ... They're Coming To Take You Away, Ha-Ha!

BWA-HA-HAHA-HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
<<play thriller.wav>>
Congratulations, sundialsvcs! You made Rik *Burst Out With Laughter!* You are the now the proud owner of a brand-new, hot-off-the-production-floor, magical, mysterious, imperceptable, imperious, Invis-O-Matic Imaginary tinfoil hat!
Quote:
From their published media:
With our new high-deflection/absorption Infinitarium* core, the Invis-O-Matic Imaginary tinfoil hat provides 850% MORE protection from Those Who Wish to Read Your Thoughts than aluminum alone! Plus, thanks to our patented Imaginary technology, only YOU will know you have it on, freeing you from the taunts and jeers of THOSE WHO JUST DON'T KNOW!It will make your whites whiter, your colors brighter; overcast days will become bright and sunny, right before your eyes!

You'll laugh!
You'll cry!
You'll fall down!
Invis-O-Matic Imaginary will change your life!
*Infinitarium, Imaginary, and Invis-O-Matic Imaginary are trademarks of Detectotronix, a subsidary of Paranoia Industries, Inc.
 
  


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