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Old 04-29-2003, 12:18 PM   #1
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Is Microsoft playing dirty tricks again?


This is really just a point of curiosity for me because thankfully I don't do wimpdoze but I have been hearing rumors that the latest XP security updates reprogram configuration info on some NICs that have an eprom w/ config info on them rendering Linux unable to use the NIC. Anyone else heard of this?
 
Old 04-29-2003, 12:50 PM   #2
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i dont know about it but even if its true some rever enginerr will find a solution to it shortly
 
Old 04-29-2003, 12:58 PM   #3
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If its not Linux related or a Linux question, it belongs in the General forum, not the Linux - General forum.

Thanks. It has been moved as you can clearly see.
 
Old 04-29-2003, 01:54 PM   #4
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Re: Is Microsoft playing dirty tricks again?

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This is really just a point of curiosity for me because thankfully I don't do wimpdoze but I have been hearing rumors that the latest XP security updates reprogram configuration info on some NICs that have an eprom w/ config info on them rendering Linux unable to use the NIC. Anyone else heard of this?
If that is true MS should get sued big time.
 
Old 04-30-2003, 05:03 AM   #5
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He there. What is your source. Did you read it somewere or did any body tell you this?
 
Old 04-30-2003, 11:45 AM   #6
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Actually, I've seen a few mentions of it on another forum I frequent. It seems that w/ Linux installed everything is fine until they install the latest XP updates and then BOOM no internet. No, it isn't an insider from Redmond sending messages to the outside through me. I was just wondering if anyone else has experienced this or not.
 
Old 04-30-2003, 12:53 PM   #7
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I had that problem a few years back with a bunch of 3c905-tx cards that were part of an NT farm. I just had to play with the MII tools and set the card's options. I think it was the Media detection and autonegotiation that was ouched. Could have been the duplex option as well.
 
Old 04-30-2003, 01:08 PM   #8
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In fact it is the MII tools that are being used to see that there have been changes made to the EEPROMS.
 
Old 04-30-2003, 01:27 PM   #9
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Well I guess if you can't change the networking options in XP to use the card in the same hardware conf that you use in Linux the other option would be script to mod the card in Linux at boot/halt init levels. An ugly hack though as any nasty shutdowns will effectively render the card useless for XP.

Weird.
 
Old 04-30-2003, 08:49 PM   #10
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Re: Re: Is Microsoft playing dirty tricks again?

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If that is true MS should get sued big time.
And why is that? Because you don't want to take responsibility for the end result of what you put on your computer?
 
Old 04-30-2003, 09:51 PM   #11
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If its not Linux related or a Linux question, it belongs in the General forum, not the Linux - General forum.

Thanks. It has been moved as you can clearly see.
ok I'll behave from now on
 
Old 05-01-2003, 02:05 AM   #12
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Re: Re: Re: Is Microsoft playing dirty tricks again?

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And why is that? Because you don't want to take responsibility for the end result of what you put on your computer?
But something that messes with hardware shouldn't come with something that intends to update the Operating System (in this case Windows XP).

It wouldn't be Edward's fault (100%) for keeping his OS up to date (which should be done regardless of OS). It would be partly Microsoft's fault for putting out such an update. It's most likely illegal (like what most of what Microsoft has done).
 
Old 05-01-2003, 04:55 PM   #13
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But something that messes with hardware shouldn't come with something that intends to update the Operating System (in this case Windows XP).

It wouldn't be Edward's fault (100%) for keeping his OS up to date (which should be done regardless of OS).
Just because it should be done doesn't mean it's not your fault if you choose to do it.



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It would be partly Microsoft's fault for putting out such an update. It's most likely illegal (like what most of what Microsoft has done).
It's an update you're free to install or not as you wish. And you're forgetting that just because something is illegal doesn't necessarily mean that it should be.
 
Old 05-01-2003, 05:58 PM   #14
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Just because it should be done doesn't mean it's not your fault if you choose to do it.




It's an update you're free to install or not as you wish. And you're forgetting that just because something is illegal doesn't necessarily mean that it should be.
And I suppose it should be perfectly legal for MS to SQUASH their competition.

Your logic is flawed, if people don't update their OS (mainly Windows), their OS would be litered with bugs that evil people can exploit to harm someone's computer. Therefore they have to update if they want to keep the Malicious people at bay. No one would be at fault if MS didn't practice illegal business practices. MS gets a pat on the wrist only because they are a big part of the economic backbone of the US. If they weren't, the government would've shut them down.

No, it's not edward's fault if he downloaded an update that could change his hardware around. Why? Because he wouldn't know. MS wouldn't just state to the world which update contains what. They just explain what it fixes, not comes with it (example: a TCPA software could be bundled with an update, but we will never know about it). If they did, a lot of people would not download that update, and that is not what MS wants. So yes, it is MS' fault that something like this may happen.

It's so easy to point the finger at the user who upgrades his OS to fixes bugs. You can just simply state, "it's his fault for downloading the said update." But then you are just acting on the defense of MS (do you love Bill Gates that much?). Lets say that Edward downloaded a patch, he thinks it's just like another patch. He reboots to complete the installation. Plays around in Windows for a couple of hours before going into Linux. When he does, he finds out that his NIC is no longer working. He reboots into Windows, works there. He's angry, he blames MS, and rightfully so. Because if Edward had known that the upgrade would change his NIC around, he wouldn't have downloaded the upgrade.

I update my Windows, but I do not know what those upgrades contain because MS doesn't state what they contain. So how am I going to avoid downloading the bad upgrades if I do not know what upgrades are bad?
 
Old 05-01-2003, 06:08 PM   #15
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