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Old 09-16-2005, 03:09 PM   #1
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Ipod nano boycott


I am sick and tired of apple and have decided to tell them about it. I went here Apple feedback and filled out the form. This is what I said:
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I own an iPod mini, bought last year. I love it, I really do. The only thing that hampered my enjoyment of it was the lack of Linux support.

What gives?!?

You release a windows version of the software, but not a linux verion? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but MacOS is a unix system. Surely a linux port wouldn't be too difficult.

I finally managed after a lot of heartache to get my mini working with linux so I could play music I have legitimately ripped from cd's I bought. The reason I am writing this is to let you know that I have considered buying the new iPod nano. I think it looks brilliant, and I would buy it if it supported linux.

Until then I will not buy it or any other iPod. I may be only one customer, but there are others who feel the same. this is one customer you have lost.
Feel free to tell them how you feel as well. If you search these forums you will see the issues I had with my mini. I'm pissed off. I think they should know that I am a willing customer. I would spend the $250 to upgrade my ipod.

BUT I'M NOT GOING TO. If enough people tell them that they won't either then maybe they'll listen. Maybe they will support linux. Probably not. But then they will never, ever get my money.

No more ipods for me.
 
Old 09-17-2005, 08:38 AM   #2
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iPods just mount as a mass-storage device in linux don't they? If so, that's not hard. iTunes runs under Crossover Office as well if it's that life-threatening. Apple may not support linux with their hardware but a) they don't go out of their way to make it difficult and b) they do contribute to open source stuff. Safari uses the KHTML engine for rendering, they've contributed a lot of the changes they've made back to the original developers.

I'm not complaining about them, they might not be 100% linux friendly but you know what? They don't have to be. They aren't 100% linux unfriendly and that's enough for me
 
Old 09-17-2005, 08:05 PM   #3
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any apple product sucks.
 
Old 09-17-2005, 08:46 PM   #4
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Originally posted by cereal83
any apple product sucks.
Do you want to justify that??

I am a happy owner of 2 Apple Powerbooks and an Apple Ipod Mini. I think they are well made, good quality products particularly when compared to other similar products.

--Ian
 
Old 09-18-2005, 07:00 AM   #5
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Do you want to justify that??

I am a happy owner of 2 Apple Powerbooks and an Apple Ipod Mini. I think they are well made, good quality products particularly when compared to other similar products.

--Ian
Don't worry. People with comments like that who won't back them up probably just can't afford the product in question. I'd love an iPod Nano but I'd rather it had about 10GB, that would be perfect... I think I'll look at an iPod Photo.
 
Old 09-18-2005, 08:56 AM   #6
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Originally posted by cs-cam
Don't worry. People with comments like that who won't back them up probably just can't afford the product in question. I'd love an iPod Nano but I'd rather it had about 10GB, that would be perfect... I think I'll look at an iPod Photo.
Yeah but the nano is small because they are using solid state memory so if they want to keep the price down they needed a smaller capacity. That being said I agree I would rather have a nice 40gb iPod then a 2gb nano.
 
Old 09-18-2005, 10:12 AM   #7
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Yeah but the nano is small because they are using solid state memory so if they want to keep the price down they needed a smaller capacity. That being said I agree I would rather have a nice 40gb iPod then a 2gb nano.
I would rather have an 40G iPod nano.

I'll wait until it's available and be happy with my old 20G non-colour iPod.

@cereal83: Don't post such dumb and unfounded remarks. Did you ever work on a PowerMac G5?
 
Old 09-18-2005, 11:37 AM   #8
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So all you people are upset by me saying all Apple products suck? Well to me they do. I can afford any Ipod I want but I don't like them so why buy one? I have worked on a G5 for about 30 minutes and it wasn't anything special to me.

I say all apple products suck because for me they do. Using tiger was a joke for me, my bosses g4 laptop is a POS to me but he loves it. I just don't like anything they have to offer. Thats why there is choice people. You make it seem like you have to like apple or your nobody. I just don't like them, never have and I don't think I ever will.

2 Thumbs down for Apple from me but that doesn't stop you people from using or liking it so who cares what I think. They just suck imo and if u think I suck for thinking that, fine!

 
Old 09-18-2005, 11:46 AM   #9
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I don't think anyone has any problems, cereal83, with you saying negative things about Apple or their products. I think the problem is making negative remarks that are unsubstantiated or have no specific examples to back them up. Take these for example.

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I have worked on a G5 for about 30 minutes and it wasn't anything special to me.

I say all apple products suck because for me they do.

Using tiger was a joke for me

my bosses g4 laptop is a POS to me

I just don't like anything they have to offer. T

hats why there is choice people. You make it seem like you have to like apple or your nobody.

I just don't like them, never have and I don't think I ever will.

2 Thumbs down for Apple from me

They just suck imo
That's nine statements about Apple or its products "sucking" without any example of why they suck. You say the G4 is a piece of s*t, but you don't say what about the G4 makes it a piece of s*t. Now, I have my own personally gripes about Mac OS X and the Powerbooks, but I won't say all Apple products suck.

How are you any better than people who come on these forums and say "Linux sucks! Windows rules!"?
 
Old 09-18-2005, 04:41 PM   #10
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Originally posted by cereal83
So all you people are upset by me saying all Apple products suck? Well to me they do. I can afford any Ipod I want but I don't like them so why buy one? I have worked on a G5 for about 30 minutes and it wasn't anything special to me.

I say all apple products suck because for me they do. Using tiger was a joke for me, my bosses g4 laptop is a POS to me but he loves it. I just don't like anything they have to offer. Thats why there is choice people. You make it seem like you have to like apple or your nobody. I just don't like them, never have and I don't think I ever will.

2 Thumbs down for Apple from me but that doesn't stop you people from using or liking it so who cares what I think. They just suck imo and if u think I suck for thinking that, fine!

Ah that clears things up a bit.

 
Old 09-18-2005, 06:42 PM   #11
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I don't think anyone has any problems, cereal83, with you saying negative things about Apple or their products. I think the problem is making negative remarks that are unsubstantiated or have no specific examples to back them up. Take these for example.

That's nine statements about Apple or its products "sucking" without any example of why they suck. You say the G4 is a piece of s*t, but you don't say what about the G4 makes it a piece of s*t. Now, I have my own personally gripes about Mac OS X and the Powerbooks, but I won't say all Apple products suck.

How are you any better than people who come on these forums and say "Linux sucks! Windows rules!"?
Well ok I will give you a look on why I don't like them. To you, it might not be enough but for me, it's more then enough.

My bosses G4 is a 1.2 Ghz I think. When using it, well it's really slow. When you click on an icon to open something it usually takes around 7-10 seconds to open it up which to me is very slow. They don't have G5 laptops so thats almost the best laptop from apple you can get and it's slow to me.

Tiger was a joke to me because I am used to Windows and Linux and am customed to using them. Using something totally differant sucks to me because I have to relearn everything and that takes some time. I don't like the browsers, email programs, Itunes, Iphoto or anything like that. Sure they might work but for me I just don't like them.

I have never been a fan of Apple so I say their products suck. If their products were so good then so many more people would be using them IMO. For me, it's a waste of time and money to buy a G5 when they are switching to Intel, are so expensive for what they are. I got a Dual Xeon for like half of a G5. They are better computers for graphic design from what I hear and I am not into that so again it's not for me. They don't play games like Windows does. I can't install Slackware on there.

Apple products are just not for me.
 
Old 09-18-2005, 07:29 PM   #12
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I don't think all Apples suck, my next computer will probably be a Mac, but I don't think very highly of their Ipod. I was given an Ipod mini for my birthday, so I suppose I shouldn't complain. However:
  • The battery does not last long enough.
  • Half my music collection is encoded in Ogg Vorbis, which Apple conveniently chose not to support even though it is technically possible.
  • The battery is not user serviceable. Why isn't it engineered like the batteries in mobile phones? Would you buy a mobile phone with an irreplacable battery in this day and age? I think not.
  • I need to buy software (Crossover) to get the Apple software to work in Linux. That sucks.
  • Where's the power adapter? I need to start up my computer for four hours, just to charge the Ipod battery?

Well, I'm sure not everyone will agree with everything I mention, but some will admit that there are a few notable disadvantages to this device. The design, however, is absolutely first rate and IMHO second to none. It's not hard to imagine the "unpacking party" phenomenon, either
 
Old 09-18-2005, 11:53 PM   #13
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Originally posted by cereal83
My bosses G4 is a 1.2 Ghz I think. When using it, well it's really slow. When you click on an icon to open something it usually takes around 7-10 seconds to open it up which to me is very slow. They don't have G5 laptops so thats almost the best laptop from apple you can get and it's slow to me.
Now we're getting some specifics. And I generally agree with this. My wife's G4 Powerbook is slow--slow to boot, slow to load, slow launching apps. It's even got 1 GB RAM, but it's still slow. Maybe the move to Intel will help Apple with this problem.

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Tiger was a joke to me because I am used to Windows and Linux and am customed to using them. Using something totally differant sucks to me because I have to relearn everything and that takes some time.[/quite] Different sucks? Well, it may suck for you, but even Linux is different for some people. That's like me saying Swahili sucks because it's different from English and I don't want to bother to learn Swahili. Swahili doesn't suck.

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I don't like the browsers, email programs, Itunes, Iphoto or anything like that. Sure they might work but for me I just don't like them.
Okay. You're entitled to not "like" their programs, but that doesn't mean they "suck." Suck is general, don't like is personal. And, you know, my wife uses Thunderbird and Firefox in Mac OS X because she can't stand Mail and Safari. You don't have to use Mac's default programs.

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I have never been a fan of Apple so I say their products suck. If their products were so good then so many more people would be using them IMO.
I can only partially agree with you on this. I mean, part of the problem is that Mac got usable only recently. Mac OS X is a vast improvement over OS 9. OS 9 was unusable, really. I had to use it for work and hiding and unhiding applications and using the Apple menu with no dock and no Expose was a pain in the multitasking. But I do know a lot of people who do say, "I'd use a Mac, but they're so expensive." Mac may claim their Mac Minis are affordable, but for the same price you can get a super-suped-up eMachines computer.

I still think Mac could improve as far as usability goes, but most of what I hear is the price.

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Apple products are just not for me.
That statement no one can disagree with.
 
Old 09-19-2005, 02:03 AM   #14
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Maybe the move to Intel will help Apple with this problem.
As I understand, this is partially the reason for their move to Intel. The lack of a G5 in notebook form says to me that IBM can't create a powerful enough chip that will stay cool enough to stick in a notebook. I might have read that somewhere, not sure.
 
Old 09-19-2005, 06:09 AM   #15
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This may be somewhat off subject, but I have a question. What is the fascination with IPod's? Is it really better than any other mp3 player? Obvious things excluded like size and storage capacity, what makes one better than the other? I ask in all sincerity, as my wife has been asking for an mp3 player. She doesn't like my mini-CD mp3 player and wants to move to fully digital gear.
 
  


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