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Old 04-15-2014, 06:51 AM   #16
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Definitely not Windows.
 
Old 04-15-2014, 10:04 AM   #17
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IBM was first going to offer the exclusive bundling rights of a putative OS to Gary Kidall but apparently he was too busy with some personal work (watching a game) to meet the IBM executives.
Actually, what Kildall was doing was working not off joyriding in his airplane (he was a private pilot, owned his own aircraft) or playing a game. He and a colleague (Tom Rolander) were delivering software to a client Bill Godbout who had a company imaginatively named "Godbout Electaornics". The source of the 'capricious flying story' in every source I've read was Bill Gates although how he would have known Kildalls schedule is a mystery. Kildalls wife handled the business end of the company with their attorney and there are conflicting reports on exactly what happened. She met with representatives of IBM and from that point it is a lot of conflicting reports on what did/did not happen.
 
Old 04-15-2014, 10:27 AM   #18
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I remember the BYTE Magazine article in which Microsoft first talked about their MS-DOS system, and the FAT file-system (which was considerably nicer than the more klunky system that CP/M and other then-contemporary OSes used. Their system-call interface was also discussed. No matter where or how exactly it came from, it was a better design.
 
Old 04-18-2014, 12:49 AM   #19
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I'd say Linus Torvalds is Linux's father, since he developed it originally.
 
Old 04-18-2014, 06:02 AM   #20
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Well i saw somewhere that Linux was born out of need for Windows alternative so yeah we could say Windows is mother.
 
Old 04-18-2014, 11:24 AM   #21
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IBM was first going to offer the exclusive bundling rights of a putative OS to Gary Kidall but apparently he was too busy with some personal work (watching a game) to meet the IBM executives. So Mr. Bill Gates got it and no one really remembers Gary Kidall.

On a slightly related note, what do you all think of Larry Ellison choosing to cheer his team at the Americas Cup and not appearing for a scheduled key note address at the recent Oracle World. Will he also go into oblivion one day for choosing personally satisfying events over a business call?

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I tend to think that people who value and pursue personal/familial/non-monetary interests are saner/of better character/happier than the Bill Gates of the world. To get to be a Bill Gates, one typically must really devote their "all" to business [Whether that business is directing a corporation; or acting; or sports; or music; etc.]- and fame and fortune are no substitutes for a satisfying life of pursuing one's interests- especially if they already have a few bucks, and can basically afford to live the lifestyle they desire, already.

I'm pretty much that way myself- but on a much smaller scale. I devote very little time to business. My income is very low....but I can afford to lead the kind of life I desire- i.e. I can live where I want [far from any city] and have the time to pursue the things which make for an enjoyable satisfying life for myself. I'm happy with my 15 year-old truck. I'd be miserable with a brand new truck if I had to drive it to work in an office in a city everyday, and spend 12 hours a day away from the things I love, at home on my little farm. Bear in mind that I'm not advocating being irresponsible- I diligently keep any appointments that I may make; and I can afford to live the modest lifestyle that I enjoy- but I know that if I died tomorrow, I'd have absolutely no regrets; and if I had the chance to do it all over again, I wouldn't change a thing. What is peace of mind worth? Then again, some people love business and amassing wealth- and they're probably happy doing it.

In my estimation, it's the people who desire to be a Bill Gates, but who spend their lives in mediocrity; never achieving any more success than working at a job for which they have no real passion; and devoting most of their waking hours to that pursuit, who are the most unhappy/unsuccessful.

I don't even know who Larry Ellison is [and I abhor sports!], but kudos to those who can strike a nice balance in their life, and enjoy the fruits of their labors. [I'm assuming of course, that Ellison did not first commit to making a speech and then fail to show... But now, after re-reading your statement about him, it sounds like that may have been the case?]
 
Old 04-18-2014, 11:33 AM   #22
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Well i saw somewhere that Linux was born out of need for Windows alternative so yeah we could say Windows is mother.
Ah, no. Linux was created as a free alternative to UNIX by the then cash-poor Linus Torvalds and based upopn principals from Minnix by Tanenbaum. I don't have Linus's book to hand to quote the specifics thopugh.
 
Old 04-19-2014, 06:45 PM   #23
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I don't even know who Larry Ellison is ..
He is the proprietor, owner, founder, ceo etc of Oracle Corporation. He also owns a team in the yatching world. He did commit to the conference with the scheduled keynote address. Oracle also owns java, mySQL and OpenOffice.

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Old 04-20-2014, 09:55 AM   #24
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I remember the BYTE Magazine article in which Microsoft first talked about their MS-DOS system, and the FAT file-system (which was considerably nicer than the more klunky system that CP/M and other then-contemporary OSes used. Their system-call interface was also discussed. No matter where or how exactly it came from, it was a better design.
There's no question of where it came from. The only question is whether Patterson did enough original work to lay claim to what he sold to microsoft. I would certainly expect ms-dos to be an improvement on CP/M, otherwise if microsoft could not improve on the system, it would speak to their competence. I don't doubt that Gates was a great programmer and intelligent and hard working. Those are qualities even people who dislike him agree with. Kildall later wrote DR DOS which when it came out took away 10% of the ms-dos market in a very short time but microsoft, with IBM backing overcame that little problem. Kildall eventually sold DR to Novell and moved on to other things.
 
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He is the proprietor, owner, founder, ceo etc of Oracle Corporation. He also owns a team in the yatching world. He did commit to the conference with the scheduled keynote address. Oracle also owns java, mySQL and OpenOffice.

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Ah! Thanks for the info. Now I see why most of the "good" distros have abandoned OpenOffice for LibreOffice or others.....

Guess I should have Googled it....as my previous post is irrelevant now

[Oh, I so wish we could post pictures here! I was going to insert one of "Emily Litella" saying "Nevermind!" in reference to my earlier post ]

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Old 04-20-2014, 03:04 PM   #26
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Ah! Thanks for the info. Now I see why most of the "good" distros have abandoned OpenOffice for LibreOffice or others.....

Guess I should have Googled it....as my previous post is irrelevant now

[Oh, I so wish we could post pictures here! I was going to insert one of "Emily Litella" saying "Nevermind!" in reference to my earlier post ]
I think the distros that have moved to libre office did so over size open office is bloated the source is I think around 3Gigs

I also think the idea of ownership becomes moot with open source software yes a programer owns
the copy right but it's to keep anybody else from withholding the program from the public and to give hem/her some control over what goes into the program's source
 
Old 04-20-2014, 03:46 PM   #27
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I think the distros that have moved to libre office did so over size open office is bloated the source is I think around 3Gigs
Yikes! 3 gigs?! Why is it, that all software tends towards bloat? I would've thunk that developers who are into FOSS would be of the mindset to keep it simple. I guess too though, that a lot of it probably has to do with "what the public wants"- and what they want is probably for things to be similar to/have the features of proprietary software; and that it be compatible with all sorts of other junk, eh?
 
Old 04-21-2014, 12:27 AM   #28
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I think the distros that have moved to libre office did so over size open office is bloated the source is I think around 3 Gigs
Not just the bloat. Oracle also changed the hosting platform and generally made moves to restrict non oracle company OS contributors. Libre Office was forked precisely for that reason.

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Old 04-21-2014, 03:01 PM   #29
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I derailed this thread so my view on who the mother of windoze that would have to be greed
just look at what a kluge windoze has been over the years
almost NO beta testing it's like the only testing that was done was alpha test dose it compile
beta test dose it crash the computer on start up if not testing done shit (err ship ) it
 
  


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