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Old 10-04-2007, 02:42 PM   #16
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I need help with linux i have tried using various systems


I was wondering if there was a linux distrobution that works like Windows/Mac that is automatic it works without having to unpack patches and work with the txt prompt to get things working. the basic distrabutions

Dont worry be cool it is a habit of people on linux forums instead of helping they teach the basics of linux to new comers orthography and language I can understand your problem specially new comers for you I would suggest to use Open Suse 10.2 with KDE default environment
i have personally used some linux distributions as desktop as well as sever pc's I will not comment on other distros but yea you can find that sort of user friendly environment in it
Fedora would have also been a good choice but thanks to the frustration I had you can read my posts where I did not got any relevant help

if you are using linux just because some one suggested it would be fun I would say don't do because many of the times posts on linux groups are absurd you wont get required help many people do get
I have seen in this forum itself
although I myself run a Linux User Group which is recognized in a national magazine ,wrote a lot of articles to install from network ,RIS services in Linux environment etc etc
but I wont suggest you to go for it
Linux had been a quirky experience for me though I usually solve my problem by googling but just imagine the case of a user who is not able to use a lan card for 8 to 9 months since some companies sold a fake realtek chipset sc92031 (which came in 2.6.21 ) and he did not knew the fix to do so you keep asking people for help you keep shouting one forum to another I often see posts of Linux grp members who claim to be followers of this and would specially comment for goodness they mention about an error NDIS.sys DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL BSOD
and say that it is not solved etc etc but there can be equally frustrating problems in both the operating sytems
then on one of the linux users groups you are taught a lesson to learn the orthography and grammer of group read terms and conditions that do not violate the things etc etc etc etc a big big list of what I faced practically you are abused since you forgot a few punctuation marks irrespective of the reply people keep posting spam
after spam here I must comment there are definitly good people who really help but you have to have a good luck to be able to find them


I have been teaching Linux to college students and have worked on for System Administration works on Linux
I would appreciate you go for any linux system and ask for your problem though I might not personally reply or check the threads some better people might reply but ya it is not that good system that you should give a try for also depends upon you and your patience to learn best of luck
 
Old 10-04-2007, 03:37 PM   #17
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@ tkmsr - you make some good points in your post, (I think ), but it's hard to make any sense of them. Without the use of any punctuation whatsoever (which is suprising as you are a teacher and a LUG operator), it's difficult to separate one idea from the next.

I apologize in advance, however, if it's because your `period` key is broken.
 
Old 10-04-2007, 03:59 PM   #18
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you are a teacher
I am not a teacher I use to teach Linux to my junior batchmates since I liked a lot to work on linux which I no longer like thanks to the hateful and spam content on linux forums and usenet grps this includes IRC's also

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I apologize in advance, however, if it's because your `period` key is broken.
don't be
 
Old 10-04-2007, 04:39 PM   #19
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I am not a teacher I use to teach Linux to my junior batchmates since I liked a lot to work on linux which I no longer like thanks to the hateful and spam content on linux forums and usenet grps this includes IRC's also


don't be
Where are you from, mate? Your English is appalling. :D


I just want to know whether you have a good excuse. ;}


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Old 10-04-2007, 04:41 PM   #20
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I haven't seen any 'hateful' spam, atleast never here on LQ, which is nearly the ONLY Linux related website I spend any significant amount of time on. But I wanted to say, I tried to get some advice recently from the #gnome IRC chat, which I was led to believe would be JAMMED FULL of helpful people and messages streaming by and all, but I was rather dismayed that there were 5 people in the room I was in, NO messages being typed, and NONE of the 5 people there bothered to even reply to me. Weird..

It is unfortunate however, that such people are definitely out there in the cyber-abyss (I mean the hateful ones) and that you personally have had such experiences with that. It does not help anyone, only hurts.

Take care.
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Old 10-04-2007, 04:45 PM   #21
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It is unfortunate however, that such people are definitely out there in the cyber-abyss (I mean the hateful ones) and that you personally have had such experiences with that. It does not help anyone, only hurts.

Take care.
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Despite my best efforts :D



Cheers,
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Old 10-04-2007, 05:00 PM   #22
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If you want lots of attitude and little help, visit the
slackware newsgroup(s) and IRC channels. LQ is a shining
beacon of peace and helpfulness, really.

Despite my best efforts



Cheers,
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Ill stick with lq thanks i like the help around here and certainly dont need any attitude i gotta mention though i love your sense of humor tink lol plzzzz tell where you from england people say germans and british have no or bad sense of humor personaly i think there great i was lmao at your question above re 'appalling; lol also meant to ask if you are typing your posts lately using a 40 colum txt editor they seem to wrap soon bye



Whew! That was NOT easy. I couldn't function for very long, nor very well, with my punctuation keys duct-taped over **yank!** off comes the tape!
 
Old 10-04-2007, 05:31 PM   #23
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Ill stick with lq thanks i like the help around here and certainly dont need any attitude i gotta mention though i love your sense of humor tink lol plzzzz tell where you from england people say germans and british have no or bad sense of humor personaly i think there great i was lmao at your question above re 'appalling; lol also meant to ask if you are typing your posts lately using a 40 colum txt editor they seem to wrap soon bye

;)
Heh. Grew up in Germany, am now in NZ. As for the wrapping:
I do that habitually - I just find it more pleasant on the
eye and easier to read. Didn't bother counting my average
line length in a while, though. Maybe it's the new WYSIWIG
editor style on LQ that makes me do this w/ even shorter
lines than I used to.

Just copied & and pasted a few of my lines to pipe them
through wc -c ... seems to have gone down from an average
of 66 characters in the past to ~ 60 .... how curious. :}


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Whew! That was NOT easy. I couldn't function for very long, nor very well, with my punctuation keys duct-taped over :confused: **yank!** off comes the tape!
LOL ... I was worried for a second. The first paragraph was
quite different from your normal style.



Cheers,
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:51 AM   #24
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Where are you from, mate? Your English is appalling.
thanks for the compliment but this has not been a case with me I am habitual to the violent messages that come on Lug's abusing for punctuation etc and i have made a habit not to use any punctuation marks what so ever be the reason if I am really willing to help some one I need only to read the log files and error messages and my post should be
upto the standard that help in identifying the problem irrespective of
your howto's and terms etc I can forward u a lot of mails where no one actually suggest any thing good to end user which might be helpful to them to resolve their issue but they definitely do remind about punctuation marks and English if you need I can give you links to such group on internet forget the part of punctuation marks and english I have been an experienced person as far as linux was concerned ,being able to use it depends upon individuals zeal to work and do experiments with linux might be end users may not be that patient to use it and get frustrated that is where in your LQ ,lugs ,IRC ,blogs etc come into picture , The most annoying part is the irrelevant posts off the topic.
you don't need to go too far look here
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...-linux-581369/

I am not mentioning the date and time of a letter that I luckily saw on a community titled Open Letter to hobbyists
where he mentions about the amount of time and energy being spent to develop the code and when it comes to the amount of royalty people do not want to pay you distribute Linux as Open Source but you are also free to charge for the support that you give for

that is the support which end user might need ,
if you people want Linux to be popular I feel all lugs should be monitored and let one central agency come into picture that at least keep responding to people whether it is a support issue or spam FAQ's do help but when you are a new comer it does create problems.
Customise it to such an extent that users feel happy to distribute their own Operating System written from scratch easily (not talking about www.linuxfromscratch.org)

might be some more spins be released (using revisor ,Kiwi ,Cobbler pungi
is not a big issue )
http://fedoraunity.org/re-spins-info...oject-releases
or this process should have some good manuals so that end users and self learners who are willing to dedicate time to do some thing fruitful make their contribution they can customize and give it to their friends or tell at www.distrowatch.com the people say hey look at it that was the Linux I created ,all this requires patience not only from the end users point of view but also developers


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I just want to know whether you have a good excuse. ;}

No I do not have a good logical or strongly intuitive argument to get rid off linux ,I am a layman who is too lazy to learn the things and perhaps Linux is not for me

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Old 10-05-2007, 07:04 AM   #25
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people say germans and british have no or bad sense of humor
WHAT?!?!? Don't know about the Germans, but who could be so mistaken, misguided, misinformed, so out of touch with reality, as to say the British have no sense of humour?
 
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WHAT?!?!? Don't know about the Germans, but who could be so mistaken, misguided, misinformed, so out of touch with reality, as to say the British have no sense of humour?
LOL, not sure specifically, it's just one of those things I have heard from time to time, from 'them', you know--'they', whoever they are.

But to clarify, just incase I was unclear-- I personally disagree with 'they/them'. I find Brits and Germans, among others, to be funny as hell IMO and have been made to laugh to tears by both!
My own sense of humour is as weird as the next...
 
Old 10-05-2007, 07:40 AM   #27
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Yeah, "They" and/or "Them" have certainly got a lot to answer for. "They" say 'Laughter is the best medicine' - at least "They" got that one right.
 
Old 10-05-2007, 07:43 AM   #28
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tkmsr, I don't mean to be rude, but you really need to use some punctuation marks. Otherwise, your posts are near impossible to read and understand without excessive effort. Especially when your posts are very large. I can assure you that nobody bothered to read or understand the most recent message posted by you in this thread.

The result of this is: people will not take the effort to read your posts, others will warn you about your writing style, and others will be rude and flame you for it.

I'm sorry to be harsh with you. But if you're going to speak a language, you should adhere to its standards and rules. Otherwise you will have communication problems, as you can clearly see happening right now.

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Old 10-05-2007, 02:17 PM   #29
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No I do not have a good logical or strongly intuitive argument to get rid off linux ,I am a layman who is too lazy to learn the things and perhaps Linux is not for me
It's not mine to decide, and it's not really related to
this response, but if you carry on w/o the punctuation
I'd ask you stop posting on LQ. This is really really
annoying and makes your posts a pain in the arse to read.

Not worth the effort, and certainly not worth the space.


Cheers,
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Old 10-05-2007, 02:37 PM   #30
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f you want lots of attitude and little help, visit the
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Certainly not always the case, but 90% of the time (no empirical evidence) I would agree with that.

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Agreed :]

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