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Old 03-06-2003, 11:35 AM   #1
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Holy COW!


Just over from Slashdot....and MAN!

These YOPER guys have a serious attitude problem (or at least ONE admin does).

check out this forum link ..(scroll down see what the admin says)

Now I agree that the flames at the beginning were a little hard and possibly spurious...but man, what is this, their 2nd day on the net? Where there's a forum about ANYTHING morons will eventually flame. Period.

Meanwhile this admin just basically insulted the very people who could have spread the word about the release.

My opinion is YOPER prerelease was nothing special and even substandard in parts. I won't pay 98$ to try it and see...and after that attitude, I won't recommend to any of my clients to try it.
 
Old 03-06-2003, 11:53 AM   #2
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Haha That guy really laid into people. Your not going to make a lot of money with that attitude. I guess he's just upset because of all the work that was put into it and now people are bashing it. Oh well!
 
Old 03-06-2003, 12:01 PM   #3
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Well when I posted (as an AC), I said that I was sympathetic at first...but seriously, I don't appreciate being called a brainless nerd just because I don't believe the marketting speek on the website.

They have a right to make money...but they also have to take the heat when they decide something because no matter what, some people are not going to like it, given the misunderstanding of the "free" nature of linux.

I mean basically they're just another distro, from what I saw in the pre-release, there was NOTHING special about them and what the admin says they did is what most other distros do.

I wasn't tempted to shell out 98$ before...I sure as heck ain't tempted NOW.

For the record, I've bought two versions of Mandrake boxed sets so far...I will again when I can afford it (maybe 9.1), and I've had a subscription to transgaming...so while I do download free isos and software whenever I can, I do try to give back a bit

I don't know why that admin should piss me off so much..but somehow it does.
 
Old 03-06-2003, 12:07 PM   #4
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you run across this attitude occationally, the mplayer developers are a bunch of RTFMing elitist pricks as well.

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Old 03-06-2003, 12:15 PM   #5
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Yeah

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you run across this attitude occationally, the mplayer developers are a bunch of RTFMing elitist pricks as well.
Yeah I got that from their mailing lists...a while back they flamed this guy who had a similar system to mine (I have a pII 333 with 192 Megs of ram) with a DVDrom, only his was a desktop, mine is a laptop...who was asking for tips on watching DVDs in linux.

He was told that his system was too (insert swear words here) slow and too (insert more here) old to watch DVDs...well I was tempted to chime in and say that on my laptop, in windows, I can watch DVDs perfectly with PowerDVD and that I'd LOVE to do that in linux (a massive annoyance of mine that I can't so far)...but I decided it wasn't worth the flames.

(To be fair, thinking back, I don't know if any of the developpers themselves joined it, but I certainly see the same attitude in their docs and in some other lists).
 
Old 03-06-2003, 12:30 PM   #6
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i probably should have said some or a few of the are, i love mplayer, but don't bother asking them any questions. even their website shows the attitude, instead of 'download here' it's 'leach from'
 
Old 03-06-2003, 12:36 PM   #7
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Oh I agree...don't misunderstand, Mplayer so far works better than any other player.

It comes closer to DVDplayback than Xine or Ogle on my machine...i'm just frustrated that it doesn't come close enough
 
Old 03-06-2003, 02:05 PM   #8
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General discussions belong in the General forum. So this thread has been moved as you can see.
 
Old 03-06-2003, 02:08 PM   #9
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But what most don't realize is that the mplayer docs are very good and in detail, its very unlikely to not find the answer there first by reading them, unless its just a weird type problem.

But oh well, I wish all open source apps had the amount of docs that mplayer has...
 
Old 03-06-2003, 02:55 PM   #10
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I know. MPlayer is extremely well documented. I think that's where the "Have you read the man" comes from. It really is probably there, and for the most part, isn't all that cryptic. As for the "Leach it from here" thing, and other small quirks, I think it's just a bit of humor for the developers, nothing really meaning to piss off their targeted audience (anyone wanting to watch anything.. )

As for Yoper...

I don't know. I don't agree with the admins response, but that doesn't warrant whether I'd use a distro or not. I understand the "strong skin" thing, and just letting the flamers flame, but since he decided to respond to them after multiple attacks, I can at least understand why he responded like that. As for the distro itself, it sure sounds very promising. I would place it on the same plateau as Gentoo. I've never tried either one, so I might be wrong, but that's just what I get from reading about it.



The thing that confuses me... Yoper stands for Your Own Personal Linux right? If so, then why are they wanting to target the business market? Shouldn't it be Yocer = Your Own Company-taRgeted Linux

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Old 03-06-2003, 03:03 PM   #11
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Quote:
Originally posted by trickykid
General discussions belong in the General forum. So this thread has been moved as you can see.

I'm sorry, my intent was to post in General forum....I'm a bit confused. I thought I had posted in the General forum.

I just took a look...here's the source of my confustion.

Wouldn't the Non-Unix General forum deal with non-unix stuff? Whereas linux news and stuff that isn't technical go into Linux-General?
 
Old 03-06-2003, 03:05 PM   #12
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Yes, but it's more along the lines of a discussion on things, and discussions tend to be placed in the General section instead of Linux - General. Linux - General is for linux related questions, not discussions (or so it would seem)

Sometimes discussions go from one topic to another, so this is usually the best place for them to go

Cool

*Although I see the point of confusion, there is no forum that says "linux discussions" and the Linux - General forum says anything related to linux.

Cool (again)

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Old 03-06-2003, 03:11 PM   #13
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Understood. Confusion dissipated somewhat And yeah, the conversation has wandered a little.

As for attitude and MPlayer, yeah I agree the docs are quite detailed and complete. However, the attitude reeks to me of "guilty before proven innocent" ie: they assume I'm going to be a moron and whine that I can't make it work.

Although I shouldn't rant yet, because I still can't make it work...at least with DVDs...but as such I've been experimenting and I figure if after the next all day tinkering session I can't make it work, then I'll b*tch about it on the mailing list and see what happens. I'm almost HOPING I get flamed about my old machine...

I hope I do get it going soon because my fiancee is getting snide..."If linux is so good, how come you can't watch you DVDs in it?" grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
Old 03-06-2003, 03:14 PM   #14
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Dont they sort of have to release a version for download?
 
Old 03-06-2003, 03:17 PM   #15
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Dont they sort of have to release a version for download?
You mean for Yoper? You'd think so...but apparently they aren't.
So if you want it, you can stick to a pre-release version or pony up the 98$

From the website:

"The current downloadable release is a Release Candidate and contains bugs and imperfections. If you want to have the final release you need to order it from our store. "
 
  


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