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Old 09-21-2004, 04:47 AM   #1
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have i got a fair deal?


my computers graphics card messed up and was sent to repairs... prior to going out on repair it was an athlon-xp 2400+ ~2GHz with an ATI Radeon 7500LE with 64MB graphics ram...

however after repairs from the repair center report on what they've done is to replace the graphics card and the motherboard...

so when i got the machine back today... when i checked out the specs of ma machine... it is now an athlon-xp 1800+ ~1.5GHz with an ATI Radean 9200Series with 128MB of graphics ram...

have i got a fair deal or not?

Thank in advance...
 
Old 09-21-2004, 05:43 AM   #2
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better graphics card - less cpu - not a good deal IMO
Why did they change your cpu?
and which Athlon cpu did you have? get? what is the cache?
 
Old 09-21-2004, 06:21 AM   #3
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i did have a Athlon-xp 2400+ which ran at 2GHz, but now it is a Athlon-xp 1800+ running at 1.5Ghz both CPU's have the same amount of cache 256KB...
 
Old 09-21-2004, 06:27 AM   #4
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I don't know the details, but giving up 25% cpu speed
when a video card is replaced sounds rather fishy to me...
 
Old 09-21-2004, 08:01 AM   #5
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Surely they could have just plugged in a new graphics card, that sounds really odd that they had to change so much.
 
Old 09-21-2004, 08:19 AM   #6
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I would never accept a CPU reduction like that. CPU is more important to me than video...
 
Old 09-21-2004, 08:21 AM   #7
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What the <bleep> does this have to do with Linux? Moved to General where its more suitable.
 
Old 09-21-2004, 08:38 AM   #8
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yeah... i spoke to them and explained the situation... and they told to send it back to get looked into and thats what i'm doing...

just going off the point a bit...

proir to going into repair when i ran glxgears i was getting an output as running a little over 1200pfs and that was with a Radeon 7500 with 64MB graphics ram... but with the Radeon 9200 with 128MB its only doing 1034fps...

any ideas?

thank...
 
Old 09-21-2004, 09:55 AM   #9
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You lost 25% of your cpu - amazing glxgears isn't lower
 
Old 09-21-2004, 11:21 AM   #10
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but isnt the purpose of the graphics card to deal with such processing rather than the passing it over to the CPU?
 
Old 09-21-2004, 12:45 PM   #11
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My Nvidia GeForce 440MX 64MB on an AMD 1 Gig with 128 MB runs glxgears from 1500 to 1700

Is that an AMD Kernel?

My system should be MEGA LAME compared to yours
 
Old 09-21-2004, 12:49 PM   #12
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You running that on 1x AGP ?
 
Old 09-21-2004, 12:50 PM   #13
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Just had a 2275 on my glxgears
 
Old 09-21-2004, 04:02 PM   #14
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DrNeil is ur pc on performance enhancing substances? coz urs ...

it was an Acer G500 Athlon-xp 2400+ 512MB Ram Ati Radeon 7500 with 64MB a 266Mhz FSB... and glxgears was doing a little over 1200fps on AGP x4 (added the radeon specifig bits in xorg.conf from one of the post on LQ)

when it arrived from repairs
Athlon-xp 1800+ 512MB Ram Ati Radeon 9200 with 128MB running at BIOS said it was on AGP x4 (with the above xorg.conf file) and was doing 1034fps to be exact in its default window size...


currently ma Lappy an IBM T20 with a PIII 700Mhz, 128MB Ram, S3 Savage with 8MB does 70pfs...
 
Old 09-21-2004, 05:49 PM   #15
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Quote:
Originally posted by marsques
but isnt the purpose of the graphics card to deal with such processing rather than the passing it over to the CPU?
Yes, basically. Here's some quick stats I compiled for you to compare.
These are three PCs here, each running Slackware with a 2.4.x kernel,
all running KDE, one browser, one email client, one xterm at the time
of these tests. I did not minimize the glxgears frame for these tests.
Just issued "glxgears" in xterm. The P4 2.4 (paul) has 1GB DDR333;
the Athlon XP 1600+ (peter) has 256MB DDR333; the Athlon XP 2600+
(james) has 256MB DDR400. All running current Nvidia driver. The
kernel on paul and peter are recompiled and optimized, almost no
modules; the kernel on james is default 2.4.26 bare.i
Code:
mingdao@paul:~$ uname -a
Linux paul 2.4.26 #2 Sat Sep 4 21:43:00 CST 2004 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux
mingdao@paul:~$ cat /etc/slackware-version
Slackware 10.0.0
mingdao@paul:~$ glxgears
14068 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2813.600 FPS
14130 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2826.000 FPS
14068 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2813.600 FPS
14126 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2825.200 FPS
13864 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2772.800 FPS
14006 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2801.200 FPS
X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
mingdao@paul:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor       : 0
vendor_id       : GenuineIntel
cpu family      : 15
model           : 2
model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz
stepping        : 4
cpu MHz         : 2405.487
cache size      : 512 KB
fdiv_bug        : no
hlt_bug         : no
f00f_bug        : no
coma_bug        : no
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 2
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr
sse sse2 ss ht tm
bogomips        : 4797.23

root@paul:/home/mingdao# lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 02)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200] (rev a1) (128MB video ram)
NB: This is an AGP 8X card on an AGP 4X motherboard

**************************************************************************
anna@peter:~$ uname -a
Linux peter 2.4.23 #3 Thu Jan 1 22:09:03 CST 2004 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux
anna@peter:~$ cat /etc/slackware-version
Slackware 9.1.0
anna@peter:~$ glxgears
4477 frames in 5.0 seconds = 895.400 FPS
4600 frames in 5.0 seconds = 920.000 FPS
4600 frames in 5.0 seconds = 920.000 FPS
4600 frames in 5.0 seconds = 920.000 FPS
4598 frames in 5.0 seconds = 919.600 FPS
4602 frames in 5.0 seconds = 920.400 FPS
4600 frames in 5.0 seconds = 920.000 FPS
4594 frames in 5.0 seconds = 918.800 FPS
4576 frames in 5.0 seconds = 915.200 FPS
4590 frames in 5.0 seconds = 918.000 FPS
X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
anna@peter:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor       : 0
vendor_id       : AuthenticAMD
cpu family      : 6
model           : 10
model name      : AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2000+
stepping        : 0
cpu MHz         : 1666.767
cache size      : 256 KB
fdiv_bug        : no
hlt_bug         : no
f00f_bug        : no
coma_bug        : no
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 1
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 
3dnowext 3dnow
bogomips        : 3322.67

root@peter:/home/anna# lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8377 [KT400 AGP] Host Bridge
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev a2)

**************************************************************************
mingdao@james:~$ uname -a
Linux james 2.4.26 #1 Thu Jul 8 13:46:47 CDT 2004 i686 unknown unknown GNU/Linux
mingdao@james:~$ cat /etc/slackware-version
Slackware 10.0.0
mingdao@james:~$ glxgears
4648 frames in 5.0 seconds = 929.600 FPS
5042 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.400 FPS
5040 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.000 FPS
5042 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.400 FPS
5041 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.200 FPS
5041 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.200 FPS
5042 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.400 FPS
5042 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.400 FPS
5039 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1007.800 FPS
5040 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.000 FPS
5034 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1006.800 FPS
5040 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1008.000 FPS
5034 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1006.800 FPS
X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
mingdao@james:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
processor       : 0
vendor_id       : AuthenticAMD
cpu family      : 6
model           : 10
model name      : AMD Athlon(TM) XP
stepping        : 0
cpu MHz         : 2300.139
cache size      : 512 KB
fdiv_bug        : no
hlt_bug         : no
f00f_bug        : no
coma_bug        : no
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 1
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr sse syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
bogomips        : 4587.52

root@james:/home/mingdao# lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8377 [KT400/KT600 AGP] Host Bridge (rev 80)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev c1) (64MB video ram)
**************************************************************************
 
  


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