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Old 10-28-2013, 10:08 PM   #121
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I don't believe in aliens and flying saucers either. But if people want to believe in them, well that's just them IMHO

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Old 10-28-2013, 10:53 PM   #122
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I don't believe in aliens and flying saucers either.
Funny, these 2 ladies did not either on the way to their Bingo game.

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But the radiation burns were just to hard to ignore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash-Landrum_incident

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After the UFO and helicopters left, Cash took the Landrums home, then retired for the evening. That night, they all experienced similar symptoms, though Cash to a greater degree. All suffered from nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, generalized weakness, a burning sensation in their eyes, and feeling as though they'd suffered sunburns.

Over the next few days, Cash's symptoms worsened, with many large, painful blisters forming on her skin. When taken to a hospital emergency room on January 3, 1981, Clark writes, Cash "could not walk, and had lost large patches of skin and clumps of hair. She was released after 12 days, though her condition was not much better, and she later returned to the hospital for another 15 days."
I guess watching the X Files can cause psychosomatic health problems, (though I betacha those country girls were not X file fans either).

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"To ufologists, the case is perhaps the most baffling and frustrating of modern times, for what started with solid evidence for a notoriously elusive phenomenon petered out in a maze of dead ends, denials, and perhaps even official deviousness."
Well, imagine that.

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Old 10-28-2013, 11:00 PM   #123
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Funny, these 2 ladies did not either on the way to their Bingo game.

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But the radiation burns were just to hard to ignore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash-Landrum_incident



I guess watching the X Files can cause psychosomatic health problems, (though I betacha those country girls were not X file fans either).



Well, imagine that.
I personally find "we don't know, therefore aliens!" as unsatisfying as "we don't know, therefore god!" or "we don't know, therefore hidden knowledge!".
 
Old 10-28-2013, 11:55 PM   #124
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I personally find "we don't know, therefore aliens!" as unsatisfying as "we don't know, therefore god!" or "we don't know, therefore hidden knowledge!".
I don't think most people think this way. Most people have a belief because of personal experience and I, for one, will not knock someone for that. If I don't know what people experienced who am I, or who is anyone for that matter, to say they are not right? The issue is we don't know, people can say to others all they like that they do know something isn't real but quite frankly that is just plain ignorance because we just don't know everything there is to know and even science cannot tell us everything.
 
Old 10-29-2013, 05:30 AM   #125
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I personally find "we don't know, therefore aliens!" as unsatisfying as "we don't know, therefore god!" or "we don't know, therefore hidden knowledge!".
And i personally find lack of quest for real truth(original science purpose - unBIASed exploration to get to reality behind everything not what popularity thinks) feeling ignorant. Your quote reminded me of this NWO guides quote
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One World Religion
All ages throughout history have had a religion and the age of the New World Order is no different. In many ways science is emerging as the new religion for the NWO.
If it was not God, Aliens, people with advanced knowledge who created those ancient wonders then who did it and what for? It is even more interesting because we can't repeat them today with all our superior tools and knowledge over ancient ancestor humans. Argument of nothing doesn't work either as answer.
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I don't think most people think this way. Most people have a belief because of personal experience {...} we just don't know everything there is to know and even science cannot tell us everything.
Bingo! There is always some event in our lives that prooves something more exists than meets the eye. Also science cannot tell us everything because it is not only thing out there plus it doesn't decide reality it describes but then who decides it? Who put science in play? Until we won't have answer we CAN discuss possibilities.

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Old 10-29-2013, 06:33 AM   #126
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If it was not God, Aliens, people with advanced knowledge who created those ancient wonders then who did it and what for? It is even more interesting because we can't repeat them today with all our superior tools and knowledge over ancient ancestor humans. Argument of nothing doesn't work either as answer.
This is just wrong. We can make these things with our superior tools and knowledge, what we can't do is work out how they made these things. All that says to me is we don't know about all of their technology.

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Bingo! There is always some event in our lives that prooves something more exists than meets the eye. Also science cannot tell us everything because it is not only thing out there plus it doesn't decide reality it describes but then who decides it? Who put science in play? Until we won't have answer we CAN discuss possibilities.
Nope, you are twising things again. I never insinuated at all that anything is proved. Rather I said people believe things because of personal experience. These personal experiences do not prove anything instead they support beliefs.

Your comment about science also twists reality. Science was never intended to decide reality, scientist use methods to support different hypothesis. Science does not decide anything and cannot because science does not think and it does not think because it is not a cognisant being. Science is a human construct, nothing more nothing less. Saying, as you have, that science decides shows a complete lack of understanding of what science is.
 
Old 10-29-2013, 07:32 AM   #127
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And i personally find lack of quest for real truth(original science purpose - unBIASed exploration to get to reality behind everything not what popularity thinks) feeling ignorant. Your quote reminded me of this NWO guides quote

If it was not God, Aliens, people with advanced knowledge who created those ancient wonders then who did it and what for? It is even more interesting because we can't repeat them today with all our superior tools and knowledge over ancient ancestor humans. Argument of nothing doesn't work either as answer.
These two statements are contradicting themselves. You propose that you want unbiased exploration, but come up with a not provable hypothesis and keep it at that state. You ask the right question, who did it what for, but refuse to look at the simpler explanations and just assume that their must be either aliens and/or someone who hides knowledge from you. That is why I say I am not satisfied with those statements, I am not saying that they are wrong, they may possibly be true, but they are personal opinion and not provable and therefore have no value in science.

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I don't think most people think this way. Most people have a belief because of personal experience and I, for one, will not knock someone for that. If I don't know what people experienced who am I, or who is anyone for that matter, to say they are not right? The issue is we don't know, people can say to others all they like that they do know something isn't real but quite frankly that is just plain ignorance because we just don't know everything there is to know and even science cannot tell us everything.
Of course science can tell us not everything. But you know which value anecdotal evidence has, even in court rooms material evidence is always valued higher than eye witnesses testimony. They can be influenced by personal beliefs that they had already before the incident, they can be influenced by a lack of understanding or a lack of education, or by some horror story they have seen on TV or in the newspapers.
I am not saying that eye witnesses have necessarily to be wrong, I am saying that such incidents have questionable value, therefore I find them unsatisfying. People can believe what they want, but for me it makes no difference if they stop with the god of the gaps, the alien of the gaps or the hidden knowledge of the gaps.
We don't know means exactly that: We don't know. It does not mean aliens/god/illuminati/whatever must have done it.
 
Old 10-29-2013, 12:16 PM   #128
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I personally find "we don't know, therefore aliens!" as unsatisfying as "we don't know, therefore god!" or "we don't know, therefore hidden knowledge!".Of course science can tell us not everything. But you know which value anecdotal evidence has, even in court rooms material evidence is always valued higher than eye witnesses testimony.
Yeah me also. I agree totally. I just aint gullible is all.

I do know though, that courtrooms and scientific boards can be corrupted and
rely on a certain agenda as money,jobs, and reputations are on the line when
dogma is challenged.

Slaves used to be considered sub-human in courts. There was scientific evidence supporting those agendas.

Clovis New Mexico is just up the road from me. The govt and courts had a agenda with that town. Just like when manifest destiny was a agenda years ago.
Area 51 has a Agenda. Wright Patterson Air Force Base Has a agenda.
Deathbed confessions have come out on Clovis since then. But I guess the scientific communitiy figures it is like you said.
"material evidence is always valued higher than eye witnesses testimony."

Kinda hard to come up with material evidence when competing with a multi billion dollar industry with scientific backing.

But like you said "we just don't know". But boy, "I can sure wonder about it".
That does not mean I am a kook, a hick, or will take a wooden nickel.
People should not deny that because life decided to evovle and think on this world. That in this vast universe. It could not happen again.

The odds are against you when you think this. I would not bet on it.
 
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I always thought this funny.
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People should not deny that because life decided to evovle and think on this world. That in this vast universe. It could not happen again.

The odds are against you when you think this. I would not bet on it.
Oh, IMHO it would be astonishing if in such a vast universe (maybe multiverse?) Earth would be the only planet that has lifeforms. However, I personally don't think that aliens ever visited this planet, for different reasons, like the extreme distances that would need extreme long journeys to get to different solar systems, with enormous financial costs, needed technology that we can only dream of and so on. As far as I know, there are only few reasons that make interstellar spacetravel a viable option. When a civilization has no other chance (every civilization that exists long enough has to leave their solar system when their sun burns out), for example, or when their technology is so far evolved that time and costs do not play a role anymore.

I just find it very unlikely that an intelligent alien lifeform (if it exists, maybe we are the first) comes here with all their technology, builds some pyramids or other buildings and leave without leaving any clue to us. Or that they come here to use anal probes on some hillbillies (why is something like that always happening in rural areas and to rather uneducated people?).

A civilization with such great technology would not need to hide from us, we aren't a threat to them. If they want to study us they could do it with far better methods than kidnapping people, for example with probes built with nano-technology. They would not need to use buildings to reveal their existence, the technological methods to do that in a better way are vast.

Of course one can dream, I myself am a science fiction fan, but one has to come back to reality after that.
 
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like the extreme distances that would need extreme long journeys to get to different solar systems, with enormous financial costs,
Understood. But. You are Human. Not Alien. So no telling how they think.

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. Or that they come here to use anal probes on some hillbillies (why is something like that always happening in rural areas and to rather uneducated people?).
Cmon TobiSGD. I give you more credit than that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AAJ34_NMcI
 
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{...}I just find it very unlikely that an intelligent alien lifeform (if it exists, maybe we are the first) comes here with all their technology, builds some pyramids or other buildings and leave without leaving any clue to us.{...}
Once more you fail to realize something..SOMEONE DID create them!!! They exist!! Unlike origins theories you can actually go to them, smell them, touch them, feel them, see them, hear them when knock etc. Therefore they DO have creator-builders AND purpose! There has been scientific studies of those ancient constructions and results proove we are missing something special because the results and analysis doesn't match what we have been told about them nor teached in schools..and if you were that being who created them you would have your reasons why you don't want to reveal yourself and hide or why left. Humans have shown that they are not ready for that truth yet so i can understand them. Maybe they left on purpose to one day return or something else like experiment but the fact stays - those constructions were built and they do exist and they do provide clues and they do trigger curiosity for normal sane person. Here..watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdGs7dG13CA - Secret Ancient knowledge exposed
Something IS missing..rest is details around it.

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Old 10-29-2013, 05:08 PM   #133
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Once more you fail to realize something..SOMEONE DID create them!!! They exist!! Unlike origins theories you can actually go to them, smell them, touch them, feel them, see them, hear them when knock etc. Therefore they DO have creator-builders AND purpose! There has been scientific studies of those ancient constructions and results proove we are missing something special because the results and analysis doesn't match what we have been told about them nor teached in schools..and if you were that being who created them you would have your reasons why you don't want to reveal yourself and hide or why left. Humans have shown that they are not ready for that truth yet so i can understand them. Maybe they left on purpose to one day return or something else like experiment but the fact stays - those constructions were built and they do exist and they do provide clues and they do trigger curiosity for normal sane person. Here..watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdGs7dG13CA - Secret Ancient knowledge exposed
Something IS missing..rest is details around it.
The issue is what has caused the evidence to be missing. Let's see, the the Egyptian Pyramids are basically surrounded by desert. Sand storms blow, the Nile floods, evidence gets washed away, blown away, or covered in silt or sand never to be seen again. There is nothing remotely mysterious in this so there is no need at all to credit eliens from outer space with the building of such structures.

Your desire for answers is admirable. Your pushing of fanciful theories and telling everyone else we are wrong, clueless, need to get an education, is not.
 
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Understood. But. You are Human. Not Alien. So no telling how they think.
True.

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Cmon TobiSGD. I give you more credit than that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AAJ34_NMcI
OK, I should have said almost always instead of always. I am quite baffled about the "he is 90% sure", which leaves a good amount of doubt for himself.

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Once more you fail to realize something..SOMEONE DID create them!!! They exist!! Unlike origins theories you can actually go to them, smell them, touch them, feel them, see them, hear them when knock etc. Therefore they DO have creator-builders AND purpose! There has been scientific studies of those ancient constructions and results proove we are missing something special because the results and analysis doesn't match what we have been told about them nor teached in schools..and if you were that being who created them you would have your reasons why you don't want to reveal yourself and hide or why left. Humans have shown that they are not ready for that truth yet so i can understand them. Maybe they left on purpose to one day return or something else like experiment but the fact stays - those constructions were built and they do exist and they do provide clues and they do trigger curiosity for normal sane person. Here..watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdGs7dG13CA - Secret Ancient knowledge exposed
Something IS missing..rest is details around it.
And again you fall back to "We don't know yet, therefore aliens and hidden knowledge". That is simply not how it works.
 
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It amazes me that no one (as far as I know) doubts pyramids in Mesopotamia and Central America were built by humans, but so many people want to believe pyramids in Egypt were built by extra-terrestrials.

I appologise for confusing the issue with facts, but:
1) There are historical documents that mention pyramid construction. Such as inventory lists of food and clothing paid to labourers in the labour camps when pyramids were being built.
2) My memory is a bit rusty, so I forget if it was in the '70s or '80s, but a group of archaeologists (a.k.a. educated idiots) conducted an experiment. Based on written records, they built a small pyramid near the Nile using stones from one of the quarries used by the Egyptians. The wonderfully advanced technology they used to move the large stones was to tie ropes around the stones and have two or three-hundred people pull the ropes.

But of course, that is neither proof nor evidence to those who prefer fantasy over reality.

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