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Old 12-22-2013, 02:51 AM   #181
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Descended from monkeys is not true, but that inaccuracy does not negate the overall message. I interpret it as an inarticulate way of saying, "Many people ignore facts and blindly believe in ideas that have no supporting evidence." Since all people are not equally adept at conveying meaning, I for one shall not condemn the poster.
The poster wasn't condemned for inaccuracies the poster was corrected for inaccuracies. The poster was reminded, after commenting on nitpicking, that he took a swipe at groups he dislikes. People can keep saying "Many people ignore facts and blindly believe etc etc etc" but evidence presents itself in many forms and just because some people want to condemn certain groups for their beliefs doesn't make the people condemning them correct. If people want, or feel they must, take the high ground in discussions like this and pick at groups of people they disagree with then they should expect to be able to articulate themselves to the extremely high standards they are setting.
 
Old 12-27-2013, 04:27 AM   #182
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I guess it is pointless to discuss with people who don't want to get to real truth.
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Man has always sacrificed truth to his vanity, comfort and advantage. He lives... by make-believe. ~W. Somerset Maugham, The Summing Up, 1938
We have genetics today. Why is it so hard to imagine humans were also geneticly engineered at some point in past? Yes we have evolution in place but who put it there to begin with? Space dust interaction with something by mistake? Yeah right...that kind of thinking is exactly what people in charge want and need. The more we won't care the more they will benefit from it.
Stuff They Don't Want You To Know - more stuff to view on youtube

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Old 12-27-2013, 04:51 AM   #183
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I guess it is pointless to discuss with people who don't want to get to real truth.
We all want "real truth" but the problem is nothing you have posted is remotely convincing. You don't give a personal account, you don't give scientific reasoning, you don't even give a decent YouTube clip to back up your thoughts. That is all fine you are allowed to believe whatever you want to believe but don't judge others just because they don't agree with you. Discussion is never pointless, what is pointless is entering into a discussion (remember you started this one) and not considering at any point in time that you may be wrong. If you do that it is not a discussion but instead it is a lecture.
 
Old 12-27-2013, 05:51 PM   #184
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE
 
Old 02-18-2015, 02:19 PM   #185
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I read that in Montreal they often see some alien evidences.

Man, WE ARE ALONE AT LEAST ON EARTH !!

The Universe is so vast, big, that no one/ no UFO will ever come here.


I am living in EU, and we never read or see anything special in the sky.

Why we always hear/read something from US or Canada? - Because NASA and US military try a lot of novel things. They have a lot of money and it is a huge gov project.
In EU, we never have such a military space envolvement.


I go very often in the nature, and I have never noticed anything.


Come On!

People have a big imagination or arent familiar with physics or education that make they believe things, which can be explained by physics.



Furthermore, our solar system will collapse - get another one. So tell me ... how to escape this end of our human specy? - Not possible.

So why aliens or whatever UFO specy would enter our galaxy and come through our earth.

E = mc2. The distances are much toooooooooo far !!!

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Old 02-18-2015, 02:31 PM   #186
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Yeah, we made this landing strip in the stone age also

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/imag...1a365006fa.jpg

We have time machines to do just that to screw with EU minds.
 
Old 02-18-2015, 02:58 PM   #187
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Yeah, we made this landing strip in the stone age also

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/imag...1a365006fa.jpg

We have time machines to do just that to screw with EU minds.



I like very much because when people see something from far, their imagination can make fantastic things. A tree can be a person/someone, ... up to a dragon


Did we ever get a (non-footage) video that we caught and talked / try to communicate with an alien/ufo/another specy?
There is not a single video. There is not a single sharp picture on the web.


I liked very much the Sumerians. They discovered mostly everything.... However we found out that many things of the Sumerians came from Africa (what/where it was).
https://www.google.at/search?q=ufo+sumerians


Everything is just human - or just imagination.

No single clear prove of UFO until now exists and can be stored and shown in a museum.
 
Old 02-18-2015, 03:25 PM   #188
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Yeah. Some folks would not know a rattle snake till it bit them in the a$$.

The desert here by copper canyon is littered with dead bodies that attest to that fact.

http://thepeoplesguidetomexico.com/w...hSkullBone.jpg

Good luck with de nile.

By the way. Anyone with common sense knows any irrefutable evidence that cannot be bundled up and hid away.
Like puma punku.
Can be denied by people clueless on the subject.

The rest was taken care of by Christian Explorers taking proof back to the Vatican to be locked away by EU nut cases.
Of course. Everyone has access to the Vatican Libraries. Don't They? Just like we do at Groom Lake and Wright Patterson AFB.

If UFOs were bogus. They sure spend a lot of money and time and effort saying , "it aint so, Joe".
Funny part is. They do it so unconvincingly. I'd believe a astronaut that said he saw a ufo on a spaceflight
or a airplane pilot than a person sitting in front of a monitor. Spinning the facts.

Denying is usually done by a guilty party. Any wife of a cheating husband can tell you that.
"where is the proof" he says.
 
Old 02-18-2015, 03:39 PM   #189
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Yeah. Some folks would not know a rattle snake till it bit them in the a$$.

The desert here by copper canyon is littered with dead bodies that attest to that fact.

http://thepeoplesguidetomexico.com/w...hSkullBone.jpg

Good luck with de nile.

By the way. Anyone with common sense knows any irrefutable evidence that cannot be bundled up and hid away.
Like puma punku.
Can be denied by people clueless on the subject.

The rest was taken care of by Christian Explorers taking proof back to the Vatican to be locked away by EU nut cases.
Of course. Everyone has access to the Vatican Libraries. Don't They? Just like we do at Groom Lake and Wright Patterson AFB.

If UFOs were bogus. They sure spend a lot of money and time and effort saying , "it aint so, Joe".
Funny part is. They do it so unconvincingly. I'd believe a astronaut that said he saw a ufo on a spaceflight
or a airplane pilot than a person sitting in front of a monitor. Spinning the facts.

Denying is usually done by a guilty party. Any wife of a cheating husband can tell you that.
"where is the proof" he says.

Thank you for your post. Sure - we believe or not. We do not need prove always.

A question, do you believe that UFO's could make crop circles?
This video is pretty nice (not sharp but ok ; maybe another footage or reality?)
"REAL UFOS Filmed Making CROP CIRCLES in Wiltshire, England 07/27/10 "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1hM8mcoF-g
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Old 02-18-2015, 04:27 PM   #190
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Edit: My bad. I thought that video was the one from England where 2 farmers were making crop circles as a joke. I was too busy to look at it till now. 17:37 my time.


Education is a wonderful thing. You should try it. I only have a G.E.D. So wtf do I know?
Probably Nada. But I have fun knowing a whole lot of everything about nothing.

Edit:

Kinda funny you brought up crop circles.

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/i...0701172147.jpg

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Old 02-19-2015, 12:58 AM   #191
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Videos on youtube (or elsewhere) may contain some evidence but given the proliferation of trolling, pranks, speculation and outright lies they aren't exactly reliable data. Scientific papers such as found at arXiv.org are but many with minimal education find those dense, tedious or tldr and in this case we don't need that "elephant gun to kill this flea".

Consider this: Literally everything we have ever observed follows rules of economics - cost/benefit. Even a fire requires fuel, oxygen, and heat to be sustained. If any one of those is lacking the fire is not sustainable. Stars require sufficient concentrated mass to condense sufficient hydrogen to begin fusion, nucleosynthesis and the other processes that start a star on it's life/death cycle. How it dies depends on it's mass which means what processes are supportable or not. Interstellar travel is orders of magnitude beyond interplanetary travel and the economics of travelling to just our close by Moon are so far a deal breaker. It is presently unsupportable other than for sheer exploration and knowledge.

Regarding interstellar travel, much to my personal chagrin, the leap from hugging the coastline to transoceanic travel is nowhere near the leap to interstellar travel for very simple reasons. Distance traveled (or travel-able) is equal to (relative) Speed times Time. Since the speed of light is an observed barrier in this Universe (and there is as of yet no solid evidence of other Universes) in that as we approach the speed of light mass increases requiring evermore energy to get the next increment of speed, which is entirely required since the distances are so great that at even 10 times our current achievable speeds most stars that are even remotely valuable to us are many generations away. The time to get there exceeds human lifespan and even if we introduce some kind of hibernation (which we don't yet have) the return would be to a world which may no longer value what it is we went for..

Traveling across an ocean was less a problem of physics than logistics. How long will the trip take and can we store sufficient food and water to survive it? Ultimately will the cost of that provisioning, including voyage time, pay for itself or constitute a net loss?

I am betting, based on recent discoveries of the building blocks of life present on planets, moons, asteroids and comets, that Life is commonplace, something the Universe just does. Given the rules of economics and the vast distances as well as the vast ocean of Deep Time it is my bet that exactly zero advanced civilizations have visited us out here in the boonies and won't for perhaps 10s of 1000s of years, if even then. It hurts me to say this but it is a possibility I must recognize, that we may never be able to venture beyond our own solar system and I accept that I will likely be long dead before any man ever ventures beyond Mars. It is nearly a certainty that any civilization faces the same issues with the same economics and will essentially never find anything so compelling about our little rock to pay the cost to come here. Communicate? Maybe. Travel? Doubtful.

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Old 02-19-2015, 06:20 AM   #192
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Regarding interstellar travel, much to my personal chagrin, the leap from hugging the coastline to transoceanic travel is nowhere near the leap to interstellar travel for very simple reasons. Distance traveled (or travel-able) is equal to (relative) Speed times Time. Since the speed of light is an observed barrier in this Universe (and there is as of yet no solid evidence of other Universes) in that as we approach the speed of light mass increases requiring evermore energy to get the next increment of speed, which is entirely required since the distances are so great that at even 10 times our current achievable speeds most stars that are even remotely valuable to us are many generations away. The time to get there exceeds human lifespan and even if we introduce some kind of hibernation (which we don't yet have) the return would be to a world which may no longer value what it is we went for..
There is an entirely different problem adding to that when it comes to interstellar travel: interstellar space is not empty. It is littered with lumps of matter of all sizes. Even if we achieve viable speeds for interstellar travel in the future, we also have to invent proper shielding technology. Just an example, a 10kg lump of matter being hit by a spaceship that travels with 30,000 km/s (about 1/10th of the speed of light) will release energy equivalent to a 1 Megaton nuclear explosion. You will need a proper shield for something like that, especially when you want to aim at even higher speeds, since the released energy is increasing exponentially with rising velocity.
 
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Yeah. But if one can travel between stars and galaxies at will.

Travel mode of this type is not even conceptualized in our minds yet. Except for worm holes and folding space. In theory. No gear for doing this yet.

Funny thing is. Our govt. minds cannot even figure out stuff they confiscate
even works. But being locked away. It figures. Probably a civilian not allowed access, could figure it out, as more minds mean better results. But it is in the nature of govt. regs to encourage drone like stupidity. Nature of the beast so to speak.

As far as wanting to visit. I have a problem knowing what a human being across from me is thinking.
Let alone how a alien thought processes work.

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Old 02-19-2015, 10:11 AM   #194
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There is an entirely different problem adding to that when it comes to interstellar travel: interstellar space is not empty. It is littered with lumps of matter of all sizes. Even if we achieve viable speeds for interstellar travel in the future, we also have to invent proper shielding technology. Just an example, a 10kg lump of matter being hit by a spaceship that travels with 30,000 km/s (about 1/10th of the speed of light) will release energy equivalent to a 1 Megaton nuclear explosion. You will need a proper shield for something like that, especially when you want to aim at even higher speeds, since the released energy is increasing exponentially with rising velocity.
I'm not sure if this will ever be possible, but I remember having heard Neil deGrasse Tyson on The Inexplicable Universe say that if we ever get to travel to other planets outside our solar system it will be by bending the space-time fabric. This probably belongs to the realm of science-fiction, but sounds interesting, nonetheless. In any case, there's so much about the Universe and the physics we don't know that it wouldn't surprise me if travelling to other solar systems and galaxies would be possible in about 500 years time.

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Old 02-20-2015, 11:51 PM   #195
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While it may even be remotely possible to exceed light speed in effect (shorten the distance, etc) the problem still remains (and yes, it does include shielding
unless perhaps some dimensional warp becomes possible) but no matter the means the problem is that every increase in travel speed has always, 100% of the time so far, been accompanied by a chunk leap in expended energy. For example to have a horse to ride one has to get one and then feed it. If where you travel earns you more than the cost of the horse and sustenance it was worthwhile energy investment. In the case of exploration that return might start out as speculative but at some point it usually works out... at least here, close to Home. Initially cars were a luxury but as infrastructure and commerce grew they became first economical and then profitable and then nearly a necessity... but again, close to Home.

Even sailing ships harnessing the (free) wind were a huge energy expense to build, man and maintain.

Knowing the spinoff industries from travel to our Moon reveals chemical rockets became profitable, close to Home. However, even Mars our closest planetary neighbor is roughly 120 times farther away. I suspect it will be a very long time before venturing past our Moon can become profitable with a reasonable cost/risk factor. Chemical rockets are really not a good choice for such distances and while nuclear rocket propulsion is actually proven and quite safe, public perception will likely continue to suppress any development, let alone production and use.

Transoceanic travel was primarily a logistics problem. Even interplanetary travel is a Physics problem and one we don't yet have answers for. Interstellar travel is many orders of magnitude more problematic.

To get a grasp of just how vast a difference this is, consider this. Radio waves from Earth have been traveling at near light speed for just shy of 100 years and this is how far they've reached so far. It would take several more blowup boxes to show how far Pioneer has traveled.
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