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Old 11-27-2013, 05:09 AM   #166
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Even scientists are not immune to the ridiculous notion I mentioned. NASA's probes to Mars look for water, and bacteria that use water and photosynthesis to create oxygen. In other words, they are looking for Martian life that is the same as life here.

It is worth remembering that the "facts" of life are in flux. When I was in primary school, it was a known fact that life is dependent on solar energy. Plants use light to convert water and minerals into nutrients. The presence of plants makes it possible to have animals, which eat the plants. Those were facts that only idiots would deny. A few years later an ecosystem was discovered in the black depths of an oceanic trench. Plants and animals existed in the complete absence of light. How? The source of energy that makes the water warm and provides energy for life forms is thermal. (Heat from volcanic vents.) So the facts I learned a few years earlier were thrown out the window.

Until only a few years ago, another "fact" was that life can only exist in the comfortable temperatures of Earth. That is why life can only exist on Earth-like worlds orbiting yellow stars. Which is one reason most "scientists" believed life could not exist on Mars, because that planet is too cold. Then, low and behold, bacteria were found living inside rocks in Antarctica. No atmosphere and -80 degrees. Again, the "facts" of life changed.

Of course, the other facts are still unchanged. Life must be carbon-based with plant-like organisms inhaling carbon dioxide and exhaling oxygen, thereby making it possible for higher level life forms (which must be oxygen breathers) to exist. Has no one noticed the excitement every time planets are discovered orbiting Sol-like stars? Great excitement is generated, because that raises the possibility of life. Planets orbiting blue, red or whatever stars? Academically interesting. And if a planet orbits its star at a closer or farther distance than 400 million miles, the scientists state that it is either impossible or unlikely for life to exist there, because the planet will be too hot or too cold to support life. So the people looking for extra-terrestrial life ignore the lessons we have learned on our own planet.

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Old 11-27-2013, 05:58 AM   #167
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I appologise for confusing the issue with facts, but:
1) There are historical documents that mention pyramid construction. Such as inventory lists of food and clothing paid to labourers in the labour camps when pyramids were being built.
2) My memory is a bit rusty, so I forget if it was in the '70s or '80s, but a group of archaeologists (a.k.a. educated idiots) conducted an experiment. Based on written records, they built a small pyramid near the Nile using stones from one of the quarries used by the Egyptians. The wonderfully advanced technology they used to move the large stones was to tie ropes around the stones and have two or three-hundred people pull the ropes.
1- yes, but NOT as far as the 'big 3' (the pyramids of Khufu, Khafre and Menkaure) go.

Using the pyramid of Khufu as an example, only 'evidence' inside that it was built by the mentioned pharoah is a few masons marks and a cartouche in the relieving chamber...which IIRC was found by a english gentleman with a very dodgy reccord.

2- building a tiny pyramid is easy. As far as I know, the only theory that comes close to explaining how they got around some of the logistical problems of a large pyramid (e.g., how do you get a large stone up to 140m+?) was thought up by a non archaeologist, so the arcas pretty much ignore it.

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The dates when all the pyramids were built and for which kings is also recorded in the historical record.
Not for the big 3 at the giza necropolis.

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But of course, that is neither proof nor evidence to those who prefer fantasy over reality.
Pity for you that your written evidence doesnt exist as far as the big 3 are concerned. Herodotus doesnt count....

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It amazes me that no one (as far as I know) doubts pyramids in Mesopotamia and Central America were built by humans, but so many people want to believe pyramids in Egypt were built by extra-terrestrials.
Plenty of people around who believe that as well.

No, I'm not saying that aliens built the pyramids.

What I am saying is that they 'evidence' that they were built by 4th dynasty pharaohs is flimsy, and almost all circumstantial.

BTW, though its not the pyramids exactly, to get an idea of how the archaeologists deal with scientific debate and facts, see how they have dealt with Dr. Schoch and his geologically based theories on the age of the sphinx. (and no, he isnt a tin foil hatter, he has a Ph.D. in geology and geophysics and is currently a associate professor at a unit of Boston university)

*yes, I've editing this. No huge changes, just fixing a few things that I should have worded better.

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Old 12-16-2013, 03:13 PM   #168
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Ah...why do you people want to be monkeys? Is that new religion or just fetish?

Here is another russian material to watch -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnZaI9_eNHw <-
 
Old 12-16-2013, 08:50 PM   #169
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Ah...why do you people want to be monkeys?
Where did I suggest I want to be a monkey? Your knowledge of the evolutionary ladder is pretty bad if you think we are monkeys.

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Is that new religion or just fetish?
It may be a new religion for people who don't have a clue about the evolutionary ladder.

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Here is another russian material to watch -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnZaI9_eNHw <-
I'm not watching any more of your suggested clips. You do not look at the material we suggest to you so why should anyone look at your youtube clips?

Why did it take so long since the previous post to your last one for you to come back with such a weak response?
 
Old 12-16-2013, 10:49 PM   #170
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Why did it take so long since the previous post to your last one for you to come back with such a weak response?
Looking for videos?
 
Old 12-17-2013, 11:22 AM   #171
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"Ah...why do you people want to be monkeys? Is that new religion or just fetish?"

What's wanting got to with it? I don't WANT to be bald, but the evidence is not in my favour unfortunately....

The facts, in so far as we understand them, say that we are descended from monkeys. Weather we want it or not. I know that for the religionists and the tinfoil-hatters the world IS just exactly what you want to beleive it is and wishful thinking rules supreme.

But here in the real world we have to suck it up and accept the known facts, we don't get to wish it all away because our favourite book of mumbo jumbo says different.
 
Old 12-17-2013, 01:21 PM   #172
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@Arcane. I watched a bit on the aquatic ape theory and how we as humans may have learned/assisted
ourselves to walk upright by wading in deep water. Because walking on all fours does not
contribute to survival when fishing in deep water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXJeCGaAFws

Aquatic ape theory. It's a 17 minute video so I understand if one leaves the link be. It is there just for info on the theory. I am keeping the other video links real short so as not to tax one on
proving my point. (Except for the last link)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwPoM7lGYHw

Hard evidence; Below are scientists who are investigating good locations for oil drilling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuXPdQqMYW0

So with all the little we know about anything. Even out own planet. I find it plausible
that ET may have come here for unknown reasons (mining?) and left. Experts are being proved
wrong every day as the electronic age starts to supply proof that was unavailable in the past.

Short of having access to Wright Patterson or Area 51.

No One knows
 
Old 12-17-2013, 03:26 PM   #173
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The facts, in so far as we understand them, say that we are descended from monkeys. Weather we want it or not.
I'd suggest you get your facts right. We have a common ancestor with them but we are not descended from them.

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I know that for the religionists and the tinfoil-hatters the world IS just exactly what you want to beleive it is and wishful thinking rules supreme.
A generalisation that is not based on fact.

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But here in the real world we have to suck it up and accept the known facts,
Then at least know them and don't spread your own misunderstandings.
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we don't get to wish it all away because our favourite book of mumbo jumbo says different.
Don't you? Ah that's right you get to make up your own like we are descended from monkeys.
 
Old 12-18-2013, 01:11 PM   #174
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I used the generic term because it's the one being used in the preceding discussion, but don't let that upset your self satisfaction at a magnificent peice of nit-pickery.
 
Old 12-18-2013, 02:47 PM   #175
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I used the generic term because it's the one being used in the preceding discussion,
So to propogate a basesless myth you decided to follow suit instead of actually correcting Arcane's errors.

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but don't let that upset your self satisfaction at a magnificent peice of nit-pickery.
In order to make your incorrect comments look good you had to have a swipe (nitpicked) at two groups you don't particularly like ("religionists and tinfoil-hatters"). I wish I was a good and as perfect as you
 
Old 12-18-2013, 02:47 PM   #176
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Monkeys are rather adept at picking nits.
 
Old 12-18-2013, 03:34 PM   #177
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An alien built my VLC.
 
Old 12-21-2013, 03:58 PM   #178
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So to propogate a basesless myth you decided to follow suit instead of actually correcting Arcane's errors.

In order to make your incorrect comments look good you had to have a swipe (nitpicked) at two groups you don't particularly like ("religionists and tinfoil-hatters"). I wish I was a good and as perfect as you

Wow...I'm now wondering if evolution is really true, I mean how can a bug that big have evolved up your fundament without godly assitance?
 
Old 12-21-2013, 08:15 PM   #179
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Wow...I'm now wondering if evolution is really true, I mean how can a bug that big have evolved up your fundament without godly assitance?
My work here is done!
 
Old 12-21-2013, 10:14 PM   #180
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"Ah...why do you people want to be monkeys? Is that new religion or just fetish?"

What's wanting got to with it? I don't WANT to be bald, but the evidence is not in my favour unfortunately....

The facts, in so far as we understand them, say that we are descended from monkeys. Weather we want it or not. I know that for the religionists and the tinfoil-hatters the world IS just exactly what you want to beleive it is and wishful thinking rules supreme.

But here in the real world we have to suck it up and accept the known facts, we don't get to wish it all away because our favourite book of mumbo jumbo says different.
Descended from monkeys is not true, but that inaccuracy does not negate the overall message. I interpret it as an inarticulate way of saying, "Many people ignore facts and blindly believe in ideas that have no supporting evidence." Since all people are not equally adept at conveying meaning, I for one shall not condemn the poster.
 
  


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